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Andy Riga looks at plans to create a bigger bus terminal at Lionel-Groulx in advance of the Turcot work; not everyone is thrilled about bringing more buses to the area.
ant6n, Dhomas, Robert J, and 6 others are discussing. Toggle Comments
None of the designs for new bus terminals or similar that have come out over the years seems to be overly concerned with minimizing walking distances. Transfers should be as fast and painless as possible to help induce demand.
I didn’t see any potential designs anywhere. Link?
Nor did I. Andy Riga describes how the services are meant to be distributed around the environs of Lionel-Groulx, but I haven’t seen a diagram.
Delisle and Greene aren’t any further away from the entrance than Atwater and St-Jacques, really, so there doesn’t seem to be an issue with walking distances (based on no designs). I live right near there, and although I’ve never found an issue with too many buses, I guess we’ll see how it works after the probable 6-9 months of actual construction.
Here is a very unclear diagram: http://blogs.montrealgazette.com/2012/06/17/transit-authority-spending-3-million-on-a-new-bus-terminal-at-the-lionel-groulx-metro-station/
It’s unfortunate that Lionel-Groulx isn’t designed with a 2nd entrance on Greene. What I find unfortunate is that these plans for extra public transportation are only temporary; will extra service be canceled once the construction is complete?
The link is at the bottom of the article (in plain text), pointing to Andy Rigas gazette website, which in turn has the article that jeather linked. The distance from the doors of the metro to most of the bus stops at Atwater is about 40 meters right now, some of the drop off stops are like 50 meters away; after the refit it will be 120~130 meters (a metro train is about 150 meters long). Plus you have to consider the path getting from the metro train to the metro entrance. For transferring, I think that’s too long, given how much money they’ll spend and how much space there is at the metro entrance.
@ steph: “will extra service be canceled once the construction is complete?”
Of course! This is a trillion-dollar highway project, and the STM is spending about a hundred dollars on fancy tempos for extra passengers. Isn’t our regime’s intentions clear yet?
The best bus station in the city is at Henri Bourassa. That should serve as a model. There’s lots of space there.
I’ve often wondered why they didn’t build a bus terminal in what is now a sort of pseudo park on top of the metro (the grassy plot with the ventilation thingies). That park is dark and uninhabited at night. A partially indoor bus terminal could take up half of the square with some grassy areas/trees for summertime use.
At least that way the station would take up less and not more space and be closer to the metro entrance.
That’s what I was thinking, too. The buses should be like 10 meters from where the escalators reach the top.
Kind of like Beaubien metro’s 18 stop with the concrete awning.
What I find annoying about Lionel-Groulx metro is that the “Lionel-Groulx Metro” Bixi stand is over 200m away on Charlevoix street. There is so much room right next to the metro entrance; why couldn’t they put a stand there??
There used to be a bixi on that block (what do they call blocks that where torn down and that are now empty except for a metro entry?). Maybe it got used too much? Maybe the stm complained about the bicycle traffic?
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