08:48 on 2012/06/08 Reply  

• Ephraim 10:01 on 2012/06/08 Permalink

  So much for NOT targeting and disrupting the Grand Prix.

  39 arrests according to the SPVM and all for violations of city ordinances (I assume masks, jay walking, littering, etc) or criminal acts. So basically none based on bill 78.

  Can you hear someone trying to say it wasn’t the students, yet?

• steph 11:37 on 2012/06/08 Permalink

  CLAC (Convergence des luttes anticapitalistes) were the ones that planned disruptions of the cocktail and then moved to Crescent street @ 7:00 to clash directly with police. CLAC is not a student movement. I remember them well from 10 years ago at the FTAA protests here in Montreal and Quebec city. They support the student strike, but they’re not students. They also wear black. http://www.clac-montreal.net/en

• Bill Binns 12:44 on 2012/06/08 Permalink

  NONE of the protesters who commit crimes are students. Unless of course they are caught red-handed like the Metro bombers. In those cases, we are supposed to shrug and say “nobody died, let them go”. ALL of the police who get too rough (if you can find any) are operating on the direct orders of the Mayor or the Premiere and both of those guys get their orders from the Mafia. Even if the students did commit crimes during the protests (which they don’t), those crimes would be entirely justified as the actions of freedom fighters trying to escape the jackboot of oppression. Also, ummm, Down with Capitalism and Fur is Murder.

• Kate 13:55 on 2012/06/08 Permalink

  These are not what I call arguments.

• Hamza 14:08 on 2012/06/08 Permalink

  Remember, bill and ephraim and kevin and the rest show concern only when bank windows, orange pylons and other inanimate objects are hurt – not human beings.

  They are mostly arguing with their own consciences now.

• Bill Binns 14:37 on 2012/06/08 Permalink

  @Hamza – You can imagine the hospitals overflowing with injured and dying protesters all you want. It has not happened. There have been protests involving hundreds of thousands of people that resulted in fewer arrests and injuries that a typical St Patricks Day parade. I know we are not supposed to compare Quebec to any place else in the world (for some reason) but you will not find large scale protests anywhere on the planet with fewer arrests and injuries than we have seen here over the last 3 months.

• Ephraim 14:59 on 2012/06/08 Permalink

  See, told you someone would say it wasn’t the students… it’s always someone else. Except of course that once they wear a red square… oh… but anyone can wear a red square… so it must be the black bloc… no it’s the CLAC… no it’s the… RESPONSIBILITY, it’s part of growing up and proving that you are an adult.

  @Hamza Still not feeding the troll. (Putting words in someone else’s mouth is TROLL behaviour.)

• ant6n 15:04 on 2012/06/08 Permalink

  @Ephraim
  You use a strange rhetorical tactic; first making a wrong claim, but at the same time providing an explanation why it’s wrong, in sarcasm (“Can you hear someone trying to say it wasn’t the students, yet?”). And if somebody uses that correct argument to attempt to prove you wrong, you actually feel vindicated.
  The strange thing is that on top of that, you accuse others of being trolls.

• Hamza 15:35 on 2012/06/08 Permalink

  Your lack of concern for the human victims of this violence (see the front page of any of today’s newspaper,except the Gaz), has not been resolved yet.

  Until you can summon the courage to show empathy for others, I see no reason to give your rhetoric any credence whatsoever.

  That’s not politics or trolling – it’s human decency .

• Ephraim 17:30 on 2012/06/08 Permalink

  @Hamza Exactly what I am speaking of. You have no idea if I have or don’t have sympathy, you are putting words in my mouth.

  @ant6n So all the newspapers are incorrect? There was no student demo last night. So it wasn’t nude? So no students were targeting Crescent street? They didn’t even walk near it last night? They didn’t do it nude because of the Grand Prix, in spite of the interviews on TV. And the police complaint of getting pelted by bottles, smoke bombs, fireworks and the such… that’s all just made up? And of course, there are no students in the CLAC and of course, the red squares are just solidarity. Got it.

• Ian 22:18 on 2012/06/08 Permalink

  To address your earlier point, 39 arrests does not mean 39 charged. The number of people charged at these roundups is always much, much lower. And so what if some students are in CLAC? That doesn’t mean all students support CLAC or that CLAC is a student movement. This is the sam logical fallacy as “my brother eats bananas and so do monkeys; therefore my brother is a monkey”.

• walkerp 01:12 on 2012/06/09 Permalink

  Thank you, Ian. Logic is the first victim of those who fear democracy and fight for the right for individual consumption at the expense of social development for all.

• Alex L 01:32 on 2012/06/09 Permalink

  The Grand Prix, what a fantastic event that brings this city to such high levels of culture and significance.

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