23:01 on 2012/05/13 Reply  

• Spock 07:45 on 2012/05/14 Permalink

  Only in racist Quebec would there be so much news on ethnic communities like this one. I am by no means Hasidic (the polar opposite *wink wink nudge nudge*) but I am exhausted from having them “reach out” only to be attacked again (verbally of course).

  Same thing happens to Arabs, Blacks, Muslims, Pakistanis, etc. all the time.

  Sux to be non-white in Quebec I say.

  And I should know!

• Kate 08:33 on 2012/05/14 Permalink

  There’s news because there have been incidents, but also positive stories like the friendly meeting at the library. Anyway, if 25% of the residents of an area belong to a visually distinct sect, there will always be some fascination with it, misapprehensions about it, fear of it, news about it. Humans are endlessly curious but as a species we don’t handle the consequences of that curiosity very well sometimes.

• qatzelok 09:02 on 2012/05/14 Permalink

  With mass media and the banks on your side, you can do no wrong in the Anglo non-culture. Hollywood practically hands us our opinions. “You believe the following…” Seeing these “official opinions” regurgitated on the Internet is a bit depressing because it demonstrates no individual thought whatsoever.

• Kate 09:08 on 2012/05/14 Permalink

  qatzelok, I have no idea what culture you come from, but you are so wrong about “anglo non-culture”. I am from mixed Irish/English/Canadian anglo background and there is no less cultural content with us than there is with any culture on the planet. If you happen not to be familiar with it, fine, but don’t just state that it doesn’t exist.

• Adam 09:28 on 2012/05/14 Permalink

  “Anglo non-culture”

  It’s like “ethnic” food – it’s only ethnic if it’s non-white, because as well all know, white isn’t an ethnicity, it’s just the default setting.

  Yes, I’m being sarcastic. And I say this as a non-European myself.

• Jack 10:06 on 2012/05/14 Permalink

  @Spock have you read any of the Sun Newspapers in the rest of Canada,watched Global when the Aspers owned it? This type of “journalism” is a go to way to sell advertising.Target,judge by dominant culture tropes and you have a week of cheap yellow copy. Quebec is a racist society,just like everywhere else.

• Kevin 10:41 on 2012/05/14 Permalink

  People who think anglos don’t have culture are like fish who don’t believe in water.

• marco 11:17 on 2012/05/14 Permalink

  I don’t think they need to answer to anybody, pure laine or otherwise. People are allowed to live their lives freely in this country last I checked.

• qatzelok 13:08 on 2012/05/14 Permalink

  Kate, North American anglos get all their “culture” prepared for them by American corporations. This is why I call it a non-culture. I realize your ancestors had things like community and values, but these have been replaced by commercial slogans and driving to malls. This is a sad thing to accept, but there is no way to improve until you do. We need real culture, and this can only come about after we’ve rejected the freeze-dried substitute we were weaned on in the burbs.

• Kevin 13:23 on 2012/05/14 Permalink

  @qatzelok
  Culture is not an industry, despite what french media tells you :P

• Adam 14:11 on 2012/05/14 Permalink

  What arrogance, to think that there is a difference between “real culture” and “fake culture”. Which is another way of saying, there’s “real culture” and then there’s the stuff that I don’t like. Everything is part of the cultural mosaic, even if you don’t personally approve. Get over yourself.

• Kate 15:44 on 2012/05/14 Permalink

  qatzelok, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

  My first language is English. My mother was born here, and her father was born here, and his father came from Ireland. My maternal grandmother came from England. My dad was born in England but in a northern enclave of Irish Catholic working people: his father was a coal miner and his mother worked in a textile mill, utterly typical of that part of England at the time (see Orwell’s Road to Wigan Pier – Dad was born about 15 km from Wigan, but due to death in his family he grew up in Hochelaga, where he very quickly learned to speak French too).

  But I was born in Canada and have inherited threads of culture from Ireland-via-Canada and Ireland-via-England and U.S. culture filtered through a Canadian point of view, and the internet means I can listen to the BBC and the CBC and NPR and RTÉ and ABC (Australian Broadcasting Company) and don’t let yourself be fooled, English is a world language, and those of us who speak it are heirs to a vast, rich and constantly growing and cross-fertilizing culture. We are lucky, I don’t deny it.

  Just because the anglos you know only talk and think about mainstream TV doesn’t mean we all do.

  And I did NOT grow up in the suburbs.

• MB 17:05 on 2012/05/14 Permalink

  Kate, sounds like your reply was prepared by the brainwashed suburban corporate mainstream-media Hollywood banks.

  (j/k)

• Spock 20:09 on 2012/05/14 Permalink

  Sheesh, qatzelok, relax.

  Not everything is a conspiracy. I realize you hate Americans and their culture but spreading misinformation is quite unbecoming of a person. That’s what dictators do…

  FYI, I think I will see The Dictator. Looks bloody hilarious… :)

• Ian 22:11 on 2012/05/14 Permalink

  I can only trace my anglo family back to 1739. Of course that’s not enough time to develop a real culture of their own as Canadians and they clearly had none they brought with them. I often wonder what they did for an approximation of culture before the American revolution. No doubt they were wallowing in mud pits while waiting for the French to finish colonizing la Nouvelle France so that they could wander in and ruin their culture for them.

• Kate 22:15 on 2012/05/14 Permalink

  Heh

• Ian 22:26 on 2012/05/14 Permalink

  Well let’s be fair, Kate, it’s not like Welsh/Irish Maritimers like my family have an authentic culture of their own, it’s all what the Hollywood Jews tell them to be like. …Naw, I can’t even joke about that without rolling my eyes so hard it hurts. Granted my bunch weren’t in Quebec, but anglos have been a major force in Quebec culture for just as long. Plains of Abraham was 1759 fer chrissake! I just don’t understand how anyone can claim that 300 years of anglos in Quebec somehow doesn’t count and that only French culture in North America (?) is somehow the only truly authentic one.

• Raoul 07:09 on 2012/05/15 Permalink

  “Only in racist Quebec” im getting a little tired of that line, there’s plenty of racism to go around in the world, and in Quebec it’s *hardly* unique to just white people, or french people. I know koreans who hate chinese, thai, japenese and jews. I know africans who hate established african-americans. etc. I am shit-tired of english media painting us as no better than the american south with their KKK.

  Having lived in other provinces i can tell you people are just as racist, the only difference is political correctness makes them a little more picky about where and how they share their views.

• Spock 08:40 on 2012/05/15 Permalink

  Fact:

  1. Calgary has a Muslim mayor – no city in Quebec will have one in the near future

  2. Rogers is headed by a Muslim – Quebecor will never be headed by one

  3. PEI used to have a Premier of Lebanese ancestry – in Quebec you need to be pure laine to make it to the head of a real party; let alone become premier (Quebec Solidaire doesn’t count with only one member and ZERO chance of ever governing)

  So yes, Quebec is more racist.

  The glass ceiling for non-francophone pure laine stock is quite visible here. I am trying to crack it but it is made more of transparent aluminium (go Star Trek) than glass so not an easy feat…

• qatzelok 08:54 on 2012/05/15 Permalink

  Yes, Spock, but English Canada supported helping the Americans slaughter Iraqis … while Quebec was strongly opposed. This is probably due to different media diets. Now how does Anglo support for Muslim slaughter measure up against all the tokenism you have listed?

• Spock 11:23 on 2012/05/15 Permalink

  Most Americans and Canadians are against the war in Iraq. Canada NEVER even participated in that, so I don’t know what you are talking about.

  As for French massacres, need I discuss Algeria, Indo-Chine, New France, etc…

• qatzelok 13:17 on 2012/05/15 Permalink

  Spock, I’m talking about the opinion polls just before the war got started. English Canadians were even more supportive of the slaughter than Americans were, whereas Quebecois (who’ve never attacked Algeria) were about 90% against. Easy to forget this when it’s convenient. Likewise, it’s easy to forget that 30,000 Canadians VOLUNTARILY went to Vietnam to drop napalm on farmers. Garrison society is a non-culture.

• Spock 14:24 on 2012/05/15 Permalink

  You put anglos all in the same bucket so I do the same with francos. Seems only fair.

  It is also easy to forget the thousands of Americans that fled to Canada to escape the war.

  Also, lets not forget that Quebec always tries to one up Canada in the sense that oh you like red well I like blue. Or, wait a second, you want to blow up country X, well I oppose that…

• Ian 20:37 on 2012/05/15 Permalink

  @Raoul – I too have lived in other provinces, from BC to Ontario to Quebec to PEI. I can assure you that this is the only one where the racism is in the form of one dominant culture actively suppressing all others by legal means, replete with marches and rallies. Seriously, this kind of monoculturalist enforcement would be considered racist anywhere else in Canada and would be swiftly denounced by mainstream culture. Here, it’s not only tacit but actively promoted.

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