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  • Kate 20:15 on 2017/08/10 Permalink | Reply  

    Police have voted to accept the proposed contract which should be in place till December 2021.

  • Kate 20:13 on 2017/08/10 Permalink | Reply  

    Census numbers showing growing numbers of anglophones in Quebec towns whose anglo populations dwindled years ago and with no obvious reason to have attracted more speakers of the langue de Shakespeare have people worried there’s some flaw in census methods or reporting. It will be investigated.

    Update: Ian links below to a story from CBC in which Statistics Canada blames a computer error for the sudden surge of anglos in unlikely parts of Quebec.

    • Roman 21:32 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Exhodus from Toronto due to unaffordability? I know of at least 2 people in that situation.

    • Kevin 21:46 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      In 2017 alone I know a dozen anglos/3 families that have moved or are moving here, from within Canada and from foreign countries.

      This is the most in one year, but the trend is not.

      I suspect the issue will end up being the lack of reliability in the 2011 ‘census’.

    • Kate 21:47 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Roman, would people go from Toronto to some Quebec town where English is hardly spoken at all? Admittedly the stats don’t say unilingual anglos, just anglo mother tongue. Still.

      Kevin, why the scare quotes around ‘census’?

    • Kevin 22:35 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      There was no long-form census: it was the National Household Survey which was not mandatory, and it came after various MPs were denouncing the actual census.
      The head of Stats Can resigned rather than administer it.

    • Jack 23:13 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Hausse de la population anglophone depuis cinq ans :
      Rivière-du-Loup 166 %
      Rimouski 164 %
      Baie-Comeau 118 %
      Saguenay 115 %
      Victoriaville 113 %
      Drummondville 110 %
      Something is wrong 100%

    • Kate 06:45 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      Kevin: Right. I’d half forgotten that the Harper government played on an idea that the census is an invasion of privacy.

      But this Le Devoir piece says the numbers come from the 2016 census.

    • Daisy 09:36 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      They are comparing the 2016 numbers to the 2011 ones, and noticing an increase. But if the 2011 numbers were wrong (as Kevin says, they are from a non-mandatory non-census) then maybe there was not as much of an increase as it would seem.

    • John B 10:02 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      Was the 2016 census a mandatory one? I don’t remember filling out a census last year.

    • Ephraim 10:03 on 2017/08/11 Permalink


      If you had 50 anglos in Rimouski, a 164% growth just means they are up to 132 anglos. And in R-d-Loup, from 6 to 16 is a 166% growth. That’s 2 families to 4-5 families…. or one family that has too many kids :)

    • Kate 11:49 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      Yes, 2016 was back to a normal census as before, and it was obligatory. I got the long form but even that only took a few minutes to do online.

    • Ian 14:53 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

    • ant6n 15:19 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      I noticed that when I add the population counts from each census block, I get a population of 35151718, whereas the total population is reported as 35151728.

      What happened with those 10 people? Clearly riddled with errors.

    • Jack 10:54 on 2017/08/12 Permalink

      @Ephraim: Something is wrong 100%
      @Ian : Thanks

  • Kate 19:42 on 2017/08/10 Permalink | Reply  

    Luc Ferrandez and several major Plateau employers have supplicated Justin Trudeau over the matter of level crossings, after years of intransigence from CP. Trudeau, as MP for Papineau, ought at least to take an interest in the question of an eastward crossing behind Parc metro to make it more accessible to people living or working in Mile Ex.

    • Ian 17:25 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      That’s the problem with your riding rep having an important federal seat. I noticed Tom Mulcair got a lot less accessible when he became leader of the NDP – when he was just a riding rep he was VERY responsive to riding issues. Bigger fish to fry and more on their plate, I get it – but expecting thinking Trudeau will get involved in this local issue is unlikely at best.

  • Kate 19:28 on 2017/08/10 Permalink | Reply  

    Mile End is getting the city’s first open-air coworking space at Bernard and de Gaspé, near the Champ des possibles.

  • Kate 19:26 on 2017/08/10 Permalink | Reply  

    Montreal North mayor Christine Black has decided to act against the visual and real pollution of donation boxes, many of which are known to be placed by private business and not charitable groups, despite logos and wording suggesting they are. Other boroughs should be doing the same thing: Rosemont-PP is strangely lenient toward those things.

  • Kate 19:18 on 2017/08/10 Permalink | Reply  

    CBC tells the story of the rise of Mado Lamotte.

  • Kate 12:57 on 2017/08/10 Permalink | Reply  

    Why is it even news that somebody was scammed in an online ticket scalping con? Next: teenager who buys oregano thinking it's cannabis complains to police?

    • Blork 13:04 on 2017/08/10 Permalink


    • Bill Binns 13:15 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      The old oregano scam won’t work for much longer. By this time next year, cannabis will be a good deal cheaper than oregano in Canada.

    • Blork 13:36 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      So switch it up. “Dang, that pizza made me high!”

    • js 15:00 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Nobody would pay top dollar for a bag of shake, which is was oregano looks like.

  • Kate 12:54 on 2017/08/10 Permalink | Reply  

    The man accused of the Monday night attack on Mount Royal went into a rant in court Wednesday while charges were read against him, then psychiatric assessment was called for after another paranoid outburst.

  • Kate 07:21 on 2017/08/10 Permalink | Reply  

    A coalition against police abuse is having notable difficulty getting any data out of the SPVM about its programs against racial profiling even though these have been promised in the past.

    • Jorgh 10:17 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Did the “Coalition contre la répression et les abus policiers (CRAP)” knowingly choose that acronym?

  • Kate 07:15 on 2017/08/10 Permalink | Reply  

    The Grand Splash will take place Friday, in which people jump en masse into the St. Lawrence to remind us though we’re surrounded by water we don’t use it much for recreation.

  • Kate 07:08 on 2017/08/10 Permalink | Reply  

    Projet wants the city and its police force to apologize for raids on gay clubs, which went on intermittently till 1994. Pride week opens Thursday.

    Update: Incidentally, this is not just a Projet notion. An LGBT group is also looking for an apology – something Denis Coderre hinted last year might soon be forthcoming.

    • Bill Binns 09:31 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Is Projet just busying itself combing through the history books looking for things to demand apologies for? Would one apology for this do or does it need to be repeated at every city council meeting? Nice to know we have so few problems in this century that we can concentrate on righting the wrongs of the 17th through the 20th.

    • ant6n 11:47 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Are you just combing through news to spew hate on? Don’t _you_ have other problems?

    • Bill Binns 12:44 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Wow, your bar for “spewing hate” is set pretty low. You must have a hard time over on Reddit.

    • ant6n 13:06 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      So you’re using reddit as a standard to pretend your behavior is appropriate?
      At least there it’s possible to block trolls, xenophobes and bullys.

    • Bill Binns 13:12 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      A gentle rebuke of your favorite municipal party’s bleeding edge progressive agenda = “troll, bully, xenophobe, spewing hate”.

      Somebody is probably talking about choo choo trains somewhere. Go tell them how wrong they are.

    • Kate 13:13 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Bill Binns, I like to keep things civil here. You make a point of popping in here to bring the right-wing position, and I accept a range of positions rather than have an echo chamber. But it can become oppressive. Whenever I reach a point where i’m thinking “better not post this, it will evoke an entirely predictable snide response” then I know I have a problem.

      We’re at a point in history when many things are being reassessed and reframed. Often nothing can be done to materially redress the past, but at least an apology means we intend to change, we don’t want to repeat the mistakes of the past.

    • Bill Binns 13:20 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Ok Kate. So tell me to leave and I am gone to prove my non-troll status.

      Again, a gentle rebuke of a political party gets me called a bully, a xenophobe and a troll by someone who has called me every name in the book on your blog. And I get my hands slapped for poor behavior?

      On second thought. Don’t bother telling me to leave. I’m gone.

      Enjoy your echo chamber.

    • Kate 13:28 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Bill Binns, this drama isn’t necessary.

      ant6n gets his pass from me because he does real research on matters important to the blog. Note that he and I don’t agree on everything – and, incidentally, I’ve never even met him, he’s not an acquaintance, so I’m not cutting slack for a pal.

      Bill Binns, my main issue here is you go on runs of pouncing on posts and comments here with an air of derision. I know you can participate usefully, but this isn’t it.

    • ant6n 15:04 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Look, the reason I’m saying you’re being hateful is not because of your “gentle rebuke” of Projet Montreal (although reducing the party to the idea of demanding apologies is ridiculous), it’s this stream of negativity that keeps coming. Let’s just look at what is on the front page today:

      dismissing the idea of apologizing to the gay community for police raids done up into the 90s (!), implicitly connected of course to the idea of acknowledging that we are on formerly native land in council sessions (I remember this was misrepresented as having to “apologize for our existence”)

      the long rants against refugees in the thread below (showing a good dose of xenophobia), together with the idea that you can supposedly use the ‘magic words’ “I’m gay” to instantly get a refugee status

      pouncing on unionized workers, claiming that they don’t live in the “real world”

      implying that the “saints” Montreal’s streets are not actually named after are similarly shady as a nazi-sympathizer who advocated for eugenics

      Interaction is usually uncivil, it appears you’re constantly trying to get a rise out of people (that’s what trolling is). And yes, you also attack people personally a lot (bullying).

    • Kevin 17:37 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Everything Bill states is a typical conservative right-wing point of view.

      And if you think it’s coming from hate, you’re dead wrong.

      It comes from a point of view that people are responsible for their own fate.

      Dismissing someone, or attacking them, or belittling them because they believe in that concept and they are willing to defend it is wrong.

      I don’t think Bill is trying to get a rise out of people. I think it’s the opposite.

      He’s pointing out the ridiculousness of people asking for apologies for things that were done by people who are long dead or no longer in a position of power, or people wanting handouts, or people wanting to take advantage of others.

    • Kate 17:44 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Kevin, you don’t taste a hint of “I’ve got mine” about it? Bill Binns has made interesting and useful contributions here, often. He also goes on runs of treating us to typical right-wing kneejerk opinions.

      Maybe he really does hold them all. I don’t really care. But I find that when someone swamps the blog with a certain mood, as well as making me flinch from making certain kinds of posts, I get wary. My main concern is that this blog stays interesting. One carping voice with nothing to add gets predictable and makes us all more cynical and dull.

      Everyone is welcome to comment here, but there are few who would have something interesting to add in every thread.

    • ant6n 18:49 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      He’s constantly attacking and belittling whole groups of people that are different from him. It doesn’t make sense to make him out to be some sort of victim for his sacred political views. If he thinks people should be “responsible for their own fates” (while of course not being held to that standard himself), there’s ways to express that that don’t involve hating on them.

    • LJ 20:02 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Maybe some on the right truly believe that people are responsible for their own fate, but it is just as easily seen as a smokescreen for a much more selfish motive: If you are wealthy and do not see yourself as ever needing any public services, you may not want to pay taxes and so you can keep more for yourself. It also reveals an astounding lack of imagination and empathy to not understand the possibility that, at least sometimes, people are victims of circumstance and need help.

    • Kevin 22:03 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Like any viewpoint, if it’s a view you dislike, you’re going to notice it more often.
      I really don’t see how Bill was “swamping” your comments more than anyone else, considering he’s just one person whose viewpoint is .

      I disagree with your assessment.

      It reveals an astounding lack of imagination and empathy to not understand the possibility that, at least sometimes, people are not victims of circumstance and are just trying to get what they can out of the system.

    • Kate 22:17 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Kevin, you’ve figured out how to keep an idiot in suspense here.

      Let’s not let this flameout cause more dissension. I’ve always valued your participation here.

    • Kevin 22:37 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Sorry, that should have ended after “one person.”
      Shouldn’t post while watching tennis.

    • Ephraim 22:38 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Frankly, I don’t think the police need to apologize for what was done in the past, it’s the past. But some people can’t seem to move beyond it, until someone apologizes. Now, shall we have the Catholics apologize to the Jews for blaming them for the death of Christ, when it was the Romans? The Japanese have apologize for the rape of Nanking how many times? The first was 29 September 1972. They still demand more apologies…

      It’s not very effective, considering that it’s over 20 years ago and almost all those cops are retired or dead.

    • Dhomas 06:33 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      I really hope Bill Binns doesn’t leave. Though I do wish he would be a little less jerk-like in his interactions and I don’t often agree with his point of view, I did appreciate hearing it. It makes me realize that there are people like him out there that are not quite like me (and most other commenters on this blog), and I find it important to hear that other viewpoint.

    • Kate 07:21 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      Ephraim, I thought of that. Cops were acting on orders from above based on what politicians thought the collective will desired. But as time went on it became clear that attitudes had changed. It took cops and authorities a little while to catch up, but they have. Still, some bad stuff happened, and maybe positive and penitent words will help.

    • carswell 07:55 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      First, let’s note that, while the transgressors may be retired or dead, many of their victims are still around.

      Second, what the anti-apologizers overlook is that apologizing for past transgressions is not only an acknowledgement that what the transgressors did was wrong but also an implicit promise that it won’t happen again.

      Until the police genuinely apologize for harassing gay men, gay men — especially the ones harassed — won’t feel safe around police and, by extension, the legal system. Until the various levels of government genuinely apologize for their exploitation and mistreatment of native peoples, native peoples — many of whom continue to suffer the consequences — will harbour suspicions about government and the non-native majority it represents. Until male-dominated society genuinely apologizes for not treating women as men’s equals, women will not be men’s equals. Etcetera.

      Accepting such an apology still requires a leap of faith on the victims’ part. But until the apology comes, no leap of faith is possible.

    • Ephraim 08:00 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      Carswell… frankly don’t care either way, but I can tell you that this “Never Again” doesn’t exist. After the holocaust, there was Biafra, Cambodia, Yugoslavia, etc.

    • carswell 08:25 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      It’s not all about you, Ephraim. Many of the victims of unjust treatment by society feel otherwise.

      CBC News had a report this morning about an impending apology and settlement for the residential school horrors inflicted upon Labrador Innu. One of the victims — removed from her community as a girl, sexually abused, treated like a savage, forced to unlearn her culture and language — said she didn’t care about a monetary settlement but needed an apology to finish putting the horrors behind her. It matters to her. It matters to her culture. And it should matter to the rest of us.

      That “never again” isn’t attainable doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be a goal, doesn’t mean society shouldn’t try to ensure past wrongs don’t happen again.

    • Ephraim 09:00 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      Actually, that’s my point… it’s not about me, because it doesn’t affect me, either way. But I do understand that some people can’t get beyond without the apology. The problem is that even with it, many can’t get beyond it.

      The Japanese keep on apologizing for the rape of Nanking, but it just never seems to suffice. As I said, the apologies started in 1972. The prime minister and the Emperor himself apologized in 1995. No, now they want a written apology…. it’s never ending. I’m sure if they get a written apology they will then want to argue over the nuances of the words.

    • ant6n 10:06 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      I don’t understand what the city of Montreal officially apologizing for harassment it has done in an official capacity against a group of individuals (very recently) has to do with Nanking. Are we not going to denounce past transgressions by the state because we’re afraid of some slippery slope of apology demands?

      “I was going to apologize, but I know you’re just going to ask for more apologies. So I’m not going to do it.”

    • Ephraim 10:25 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      First of all, it’s not the city that is being asked to do it, it’s the police. And in fact the Montreal Police regularly harassed the Gay community in Montreal.

      The point is… even with an apology, there will always be a part of the community that won’t be able to accept it, nor move beyond it.

      As I said, doesn’t mean anything to me, likely doesn’t mean anything to anyone who’s currently in the police anyway, so they might as well do it. But I doubt that will be an end to the story.

    • carswell 10:36 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      You’re a member of society. You deal directly or indirectly with the legacy of mistreatment (you and your guests’ encountering substance abusers on city streets and sidewalks, your tax dollars helping to fund social programs and fight/settle lawsuits, how victims view your business establishment, etc.). And, if you’re like most, you would expect some sort of acknowledgement and reparation if you were grossly mistreated by society and you have enough compassion to feel others are entitled to the same. In other words, it does affect you.

      The “if a solution isn’t perfect, if it doesn’t solve everything once and for all, it’s worthless” argument is ridiculous.

      And, yes, an apology would be tantamount to a formal declaration of police policy, that harassing people for being gay is wrong, that it must not happen again and that officers who contravene it will be reprimanded. Until it comes, none of that is true.

    • SMD 10:44 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      I just wish Mr Binns would read the articles on which he so assiduously comments. It is quite often clear from his very quick and opinionated reactions that he hasn’t actually done so. This is a shame, because it would help him hone his arguments and perhaps lead to more reflective commentary on his part.

      Bill: come back, but please bring more Bill F. Buckley and less Bill O’Reilly.

    • Ian 15:19 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      The sex garage raid & subsequent station 25 demo were pretty intense examples of police brutality against the LGBT community, and it was in 1990, not the 17th century. I guarantee you some of those cops are still working on the force. http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/sex-garage-raid-a-turning-point-in-montreals-lgbt-activism

      I know people that got beaten by cops for daring to be gay in public, some injured very badly.

      This is more than appropriate to note at the opening of Pride Week.

  • Kate 06:37 on 2017/08/10 Permalink | Reply  

    As noted in a comment from Jack below, one of the things we know about the proposed contract being voted on by the SPVM brotherhood is the guarantee that no police officer will be suspended without pay.

    • Bill Binns 09:33 on 2017/08/10 Permalink

      Another fantastic union achievement. Hard to imagine how this could go wrong right?

    • Kate 07:39 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      Crossed my mind that it could turn out to be a mixed blessing. The SPVM always had two options for putting its people on ice – suspension with, or without, pay. Now if you’re a cop in hot water, it’ll be suspension with pay, or the sack.

    • Dhomas 07:42 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      Or not being suspended at all?

    • Ephraim 09:03 on 2017/08/11 Permalink

      Kate. Other than Officer 728, when have you actually ever heard of a Policeman being fired? Who do they talk about being fired? The chief, who’s not part of the union.

  • Kate 06:34 on 2017/08/10 Permalink | Reply  

    The mayoral contest in Ahuntsic-Cartierville will be fought between Harout Chitilian and Émilie Thuillier. Both have respectable records as municipal politicians.

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