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  • 21:46 on 2012/05/20 Permalink | Reply  

    By all reports things have become a little chauffé tonight during the 27th consecutive night demo – the CUTV camera was hit by police and journalists from La Presse and the Journal were arrested, then released. Gabrielle Duchaine from La Presse is worth following tonight.

    La Presse has a report with a photo of a badly injured protester being strapped to a stretcher, and the Journal cites a hundred arrests.

    What will the authorities do to clear the demonstrators away for festival season, which begins with the Francofolies on June 8?

     
    • What? 01:32 on 2012/05/21 Permalink

      I don’t want to be that guy that shares stories, but tonight bothered me.

      I was there at the beginning, and from their speaker van the police told us we were allowed to be protesting if we stay peaceful. They told us if its declared illegal, we have to leave.

      So we march for 30-some minutes. I was close to the front. Out of nowhere, the police roll up and make the first, fresh announcement that it has been declared illegal. It was drowned out in boos, but they let off their warning firework as soon as they announced it.

      But instead of giving anyone any time to leave, I kid you not that we didn’t have 60 seconds before a flash bond was shot right at us. And we were cornered from either 2 or 3 sides of the intersection, so we had no time to run.

      Now I don’t get mad when police do police things, and if it was illegal then so be it. But we didn’t have even 60 seconds. And we had nowhere to go. I was going to leave. Instead it went off so close to me I had black powder on the hand I used to cover my face. How am I supposed to protest ‘legally’ if the switch to ‘illegal’ only permits less than a minute for me to trample and claw my way out of a narrow street?

      And I’ll say again. This is not your typical ‘we were being peaceful’ nonsense. Its that until that very moment we were still declared legal. And at the FIRST declaration illegality, we weren’t given even the slightest chance to obey the law and walk away.

    • Hamza 04:28 on 2012/05/21 Permalink

      I sincerely but naively hope that those who drafted and voted for this disgusting travesty of a law are one day prosecuted for enacting it. Charest has now joined the likes of Bull Connor and Hosni Mubarak in the history books. Well done mon premier.

    • paul 08:46 on 2012/05/21 Permalink

      Bull Connor: enforced racial segregation and denied civil rights to African American citizens

      Hosni Mubarak: 30+ years as dictator, currently facing charges of premeditated murder of peaceful protestors

      Jean Charest: has required protestors to give their protest route in advance and refrain from blocking others’ access to school or risk facing major fines – over a tuition increases of $250 over seven years

      I can see how you could make the comparisson between the 3 men without hyperbole. Hopefully we can overcome this unjust oppression on our basic human rights.

    • Raoul 08:47 on 2012/05/21 Permalink

      I saw the whole thing on CUTV, including the CUTV team getting attacked more than once (though their commentary was annoying as fuck, reporters report, they dont become players).

      I might have disagreed with the students, but i have no love for the cops this morning, and its gone way beyond tuition at this point. This will either end with an election or the army.

      I dont like the PQ but they have my vote, anythings’ better than a mafiocracy.

    • paul 08:53 on 2012/05/21 Permalink

      I agree Raoul, I am leaning towards the army – but wonder whether an election or the army would bring any lasting resolution.

      Its funny how this situation has driven people to political parties they would otherwise have never supported; I know many who have now latched on to the Liberals for the same reasons who had no intention of voting for them before.

      A side question to anyone in the know:
      -what happens to those arrested during the protest? are they cuffed, processed and fined? do they face criminal charges or just monetary fines? also, what are the reprocussions for refusing to pay the fines??
      Thanks

    • Raoul 09:02 on 2012/05/21 Permalink

      The political enforcers said they would hold anyone they arrest over the weekend. Weather we believe them any more than our politicians is another question.

    • qatzelok 09:04 on 2012/05/21 Permalink

      @ paul: “I know many who have now latched on to the Liberals for the same reasons who had no intention of voting for them before. ”
      Who were these neo-Liberals voting for before? The klan?

    • Raoul 09:15 on 2012/05/21 Permalink

      I dont understand why anyone would latch on to the liberals this point – they can’t negotiate, they cant restore the peace, they avoid all accountability and transparency though they expect it from student leaders. Hypocrisy is hardly surprising, were talking about a liberal PM who used to be Brian Mulroneys’ (conservative) minister of state for youth (the irony).

    • Hamza 09:17 on 2012/05/21 Permalink

      The comparison was in regards to tactics but I can see how fascists can misunderstand that sort of thing. I’d suggest sending us all off to re-education camps but Im afraid you’d jack the rates up by 75%. Leaning towards the army indeed.

    • Raoul 09:33 on 2012/05/21 Permalink

      I also saw some livestreams of what went on in those countries… and until we have snipers on the roofs, i think its a little disrespectful to compare both situations. Those people were fighting for the right to chose their leaders, we already know the french poodle has less than a year left.

    • Raoul 09:49 on 2012/05/21 Permalink

    • Kevin 21:03 on 2012/05/21 Permalink

      Don’t ever move to New York @Hamza. There you will have to tell police five whole days in advance of your protest route.

  • 17:46 on 2012/05/20 Permalink | Reply  

    Stories are proliferating of Quartier Latin businesses getting hit hard – by police – during Saturday night’s demo. The Saint-Bock bar, mentioned in an earlier post, is not the only one: the l’Absynthe bar also got hit, the owner claiming police broke tables and chairs and scared his clients. A Facebook page I can’t link to – it’s only available to members – written by Dominique Dion, owner of the no-allergen resto Zero8, describes how he was dragged out of his restaurant, thrown to the ground and arrested. Video here.

    Do our police have to “read us our rights”?

     
    • Mark 18:34 on 2012/05/20 Permalink

      According to this CBC Q&A with a Toronto lawyer and past president of the Ontario bar, you’re supposed to be read your rights and informed of the charge for which you’re being arrested, at least in Ontario. I imagine this would apply to Quebec police as well, though I don’t know for sure. I’ve known people arrested at demonstrations in Ontario, though, who told me they were basically just handcuffed (well, tie-wrapped) and thrown into a paddy wagon with little formality, not finding out what they were charged with until much later. The lawyer in the above article pointed out that being arrested can be so “emotionally overwhelming” that it’s possible that they might not have heard, or might have forgotten, what the police officer told them, which I can see, but it seemed a little too common to always be the case, in particular with people who’d been arrested before.

      At chaotic protests, the police often seem to arrest people more-or-less indiscriminately, sometimes informing them of charges and sometimes not, knowing full well that the crown attorneys can always drop the charges later. It’s sort of a legal loophole for dispersing protests–get people off the streets; scare them, or at least disorganize them, with a little bit of jail time, some bail restrictions, and the threat of a trial hanging over their heads; then drop the charges later. Look at the G20 protests–1100 people arrested, and, what, 40-50 people actually having charges stick? Insanity.

    • Ian 18:34 on 2012/05/20 Permalink

      Sort of. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2010/06/29/f-morton-faq-arrest-rights.html
      FWIW I saw the CTV footage of teh incident at Saint-Bock and it’s clear the patrons started the kerfuffle by throwing a chair, but the cops unleashed some serious retaliation (CS canister deployed, batons out, rushing the patio, pepperspray) on a crowded patio for the actions of a few – with no warning. Montreal cops have always had a reputation for being thuggish but the demos all spring have really brought out the best in them. It’s the cops tourists should be scared of, not the protestors.

    • Ian 18:37 on 2012/05/20 Permalink

      Sorry I jumped your link, Mark. Worth noting, the cops here can legally hold you for 48 hours without charges “on suspicion”, which is what they have historically used for mass arrests to clear an area. This is also why reports of however many arrested are irrelevant, it’s how many are charged that matters.

    • Singlestar 18:40 on 2012/05/20 Permalink

    • Kate 19:09 on 2012/05/20 Permalink

      There’s some stuff about Canadian standards for arrest on the Wikipedia Miranda warning page. It’s interesting to note that we do not have the right to have a lawyer with us when questioned by police.

      Kids should get some instruction in school about ways in which our culture differs from the U.S., particularly in law and politics, considering how many wrong assumptions must be made about rights and procedure after all those U.S. crime shows.

      Singlestar: thanks for trying to help, but that link just leads to a login page if you’re not logged into Facebook, and I’m damned if I’m going to make the assumption everyone is always logged into Facebook.

    • mare 20:56 on 2012/05/20 Permalink

      BTW, these are not Montreal cops, but agents of the Surete de Quebec. The Montreal cops got a night off. Charest probably wanted it to become a nasty riot.

    • Kate 21:00 on 2012/05/20 Permalink

      mare, are you saying you think the cops in all three of those stories were SQ??

    • Raoul 09:31 on 2012/05/21 Permalink

      Does it really matter if theyre SQ or SPVM? i think someone should setup a hall of shame website, post facepics of cops breaking the law, ID and shame them where they live, the same as was done in vancouver after their riots.

    • Ian 19:56 on 2012/05/21 Permalink

      It worked with Tony Bologna of OWS fame… not a bad idea.

  • 12:08 on 2012/05/20 Permalink | Reply  

    Every so often I have to clear out my browser tabs, or the whole thing bogs down. Most of them are about federally based stories today, which is just as well – on a long weekend, local stories tend to dry up (except, in this case, for the one big ongoing story).

    Excellent piece in the Globe about federal Bill C-38 and the slow death of Parliament at the hands of the Harper Tories. It’s brief, it’s cogent, and you should read it.

    Canada used to have a terrific, world-class freshwater research station on a lake system in northwestern Ontario. It ran for 40 years and produced key studies about acid rain, the effects of phosphates on ecosystems and other pieces of ecological knowledge important not just in Canada but to the world’s aggregate knowledge of how freshwater lakes work.

    Not any more. Tories have closed it down.

    Last week, a United Nations Special Rapporteur came to Canada and pointed out that although we’re a relatively affluent country, “one in ten families with a child under six is unable to meet their daily food needs.” UN guy Olivier de Schutter suggested Canada might consider a national food strategy. Jason Kenney blew him off.

    The retirement of Madam Justice Marie Deschamps from the Supreme Court will leave another seat open for a Tory appointment. Keep an eye on that space.

     
    • Marc 13:14 on 2012/05/20 Permalink

      What was your record for open browser tabs?

    • Kate 14:28 on 2012/05/20 Permalink

      Not sure, but 25-ish is enough to cause a throttling situation – and I use multiple browsers, too.

    • ant6n 22:00 on 2012/05/20 Permalink

      Have you tried chrome?

    • Kate 22:21 on 2012/05/20 Permalink

      Chrome and Safari are my two main browsers. The details are boring, but it ended up that I needed to have each one logged into a different Google identity, and Safari became my blogging browser, although I’ve been experimenting with moving the blogging to Chrome on one machine to see if it’s less prone to bogging down with bloat.

      I could also do with having faster hardware, as these Macs are 2009 and 2010 machines.

    • ant6n 23:14 on 2012/05/20 Permalink

      You should put up a hardware donation box.

    • Kate 00:27 on 2012/05/21 Permalink

      Or get Apple to sponsor me in return for an ad!

  • 11:55 on 2012/05/20 Permalink | Reply  

    The owner of the Saint-Bock bar on Saint-Denis wants to sue the SPVM after they aimed a pepper-spray bomb at people on his terrasse on Saturday night. OpenFile has an on-the-ground report on the first night of demonstration after the passage of Bill 78 and the McGill Daily has a Storify with images.

    Some thoughts from different pundits: Maclean’s Emmett Macfarlane points out Bill 78′s weaknesses: things the government wanted illegal were already illegal, but it casts a shadow of possible illegality over other forms of normal, nondestructive protest.

    Marie-Claude Lortie quotes several other pundits of varying political shades, none of whom has a good thing to say about this ad-hoc piece of legislation.

    Voir has a 15-point manifesto against Bill 78 from philosopher Daniel Weinstock.

     
    • Ian 14:20 on 2012/05/20 Permalink

      I don’t know how anyone could watch that surveillance footage and still claim the cops are “just doing their jobs”. This in the quartier latin… and people say the protests are going to affect tourism!

    • exolstice 18:54 on 2012/05/20 Permalink

      Seriously. These so-called “law enforcement” officers should be arrested and thrown in jail.

  • 09:25 on 2012/05/20 Permalink | Reply  

    Sixty arrests (the Journal says 69) were made during Saturday night’s demonstration.

     
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