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  • 21:31 on 2012/04/25 Permalink | Reply  

    I am not there, but a demo along Ste-Catherine has just been declared illegal and there’s quite a big mess going down. Bank windows being broken, rubber bullets and stun grenades being used against the protesters.

    Was this worth expelling CLASSE for, Mme Beauchamp?

    Later: police have attacked some media people including a La Presse photographer. The phrase “war zone” is being used about Ste-Catherine west of Peel.

    Here’s a picture from by Samuel Matteau on Facebook:

    Later: summary of situation from Justin Giovannetti at CTV.

    And: Patrick Lagacé is steaming mad.

     
    • Steph 22:30 on 2012/04/25 Permalink

      ^ that looks like St-Denis facing south, just north of Maisonneuve.

    • Kate 22:47 on 2012/04/25 Permalink

      Actually, it’s Berri. The Îlot Voyageur is at left.

    • Adam Hooper 00:00 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      “Was this worth expelling CLASSE for, Mme Beauchamp?” — a strange comment, no?

      Do you mean, “Mme Beauchamp should have known that her actions would inspire other people to become violent, therefore she is responsible for the violence other people cause?”

      (That’s the most generously I can phrase it, and it still brings about my gut reaction, “you’re blaming the victim.” I know most don’t think Mme Beauchamp is a victim, but I can’t bring myself to assign her an iota of direct blame for tonight’s events.)

    • Alex L 02:22 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      Une autre manifestation pacifique violemment réprimée qui devient émeute. Shame, Beauchamp.

    • Ian 04:59 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      Lagacé nails it. This entire anti-student stance on the part of the government is nothing more than political sleight-of-hand. Law’n'Order! Stiff Upper lip! Vote PLQ! What a joke.

    • Antonio 06:24 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      Yes, Lagacé sure nails it, doesn’t he? I’m not sure which he nails more… his moral bankruptcy by blaming last night’s violence on anyone but those who actually perpetrated it? or his intellectual bankruptcy by conflating every policy issue with the tuition increase and addressing and/or distinguishing none of them intelligently? Nails it, indeed. And the choir here laps it up. Congratulations.

    • Kevin 07:07 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      Yeesh, not even 24 hours after Lagacé slammed CLASSE for having absolutely no interest in negotiation…
      http://blogues.cyberpresse.ca/lagace/2012/04/25/la-classe-et-sa-vision-dune-%C2%AB-negociation-%C2%BB/

    • mdblog 07:25 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      So sad that for $1625 people are willing to destroy the city.

      Quebec is broke. If students don’t want to pay more for tuition, they should have some serious proposals about where Quebec should curb spending elsewhere because we can’t expect to go into more debt indefinitely. Right now the “strikers” are simply wasting our collective wealth (sabotaging public transit, vandalism, cancelling a school-year, etc.).

      I know the police aren’t angelic but their heavy handed responses are predictable and therefore avoidable. There are ways for the students to negotiate for what they want; it’s just that these ways are not as simple, easy, or as appealing to the revolutionary mindset as marching in the streets.

    • Hamza 08:07 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      @mdblog

      Yea, $1625 times X , x being every student who will be attending university for the next five years (after which who knows? another hike?) .

      Whatever happens, I hope people will sit down next time and talk from the beginning instead of having to resort to urban warfare before being ‘allowed’ to have a voice, as Lagacé points out.

      And I’m STILL not hearing anyone from the pro-hike side decry the human beings who are being injured in the violence, rather than the usual broken windows. But what should we expect from frothing-at-the-mouth ‘law and order’ [read:fascist] capitalists?

    • mdblog 08:33 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      @Hamza

      Do you really believe that people who aren’t opposed to the tuition hike a) don’t care about people being hurt, and b) are “frothing-at-the-mouth ‘law and order’ [read:fascist] capitalists”?

      If all the students involved in these demonstrations have your world view then there really is no hope for a civilized settlement.

      Stop the world. I want to get off!

    • Ian 09:02 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      @mdblog – how to curb spending? Gee, that’s a tough one. How about here – a spending increase of $236 million dollars between 2012-2014 for Loto-Quebec while student tuitions are expected to produce $159 million within the same period? http://www.budget.finances.gouv.qc.ca/Budget/2012-2013/en/documents/budgetplan.pdf

    • Kevin 09:02 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      @Hamza
      No question discussions from the beginning would have been better, and I hope the next generation of student leaders will have the maturity to not walk out as this group did 18 months ago.
      And I hope the next politicians will refuse to let students walk away from the table.

    • mdblog 09:17 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      @Ian – Very good idea. I’d support that plan. I just don’t think that marching in the street will get you that. As Kevin points out, it takes maturity to not simply walk away from the table when the going gets tough.

      Marching and making noise is easy. Sticking with a tough negotiation is not.

    • Jonathan 09:32 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      @Kate Are you insinuating that because someone disagrees with you they can throw rocks, assault police officers and destroy public and personal property? Seems a bit archaic to even the most simple minded. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.

      A better question would be is $350 worth all this trouble?

    • Josh 09:49 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      Thank you, Adam. I really can’t believe anyone would have the nerve to blame last night’s events on a politician. The protesters proved Beauchamp right for having excluded CLASSE, actually.

    • Kate 10:41 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      I am sad that we have a provincial government calculating enough to be aware that excluding CLASSE would mean trouble, yet entirely satisfied to see parts of Montreal trashed in response to their decision because of the PR effect this would have on people like Adam, Josh and Jonathan above.

      I am even sadder that there’s no viable alternative vote in Quebec now. Marois is a petty-minded xenophobe and François Legault is a worse muppet than Charest. When Charest calls an election, who the hell can I vote for?

    • Dhomas 10:48 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      Kate wrote: “When Charest calls an election, who the hell can I vote for?”

      Kate for Premier! ;)

    • marco 12:00 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      Basically, do what CLASSE says or there will be violence and destruction of property.
      I can’t believe students are being led off a cliff by such morons.
      I wonder what CLASSE would have done to anyone in their ranks who opposed the strike. Goon squad anyone?

    • Stefan 13:05 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      This is classical divide-and-conquer tactics which the neo-liberal movement has employed for some time now (globally). Take from one group which represents a clear minority of votes and get applauded by the majority. Rinse and repeat for all groups outside your core voting group. Students are never a majority anywhere.

      What the Charest government does not consider (or willingly permits to happen) is that they completely alienate a good part of this generation. A Quebec solidaire is needed.

    • Hamza 13:21 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      I’ll stop believing that you right-wingers are fascist thugs when you stop referring to students and their supporters as anarchist black bloc.

      But seriously y’all, just cancel the hikes so we can all go back to our lives.

    • Marc 13:40 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      @ Stefan: So a communist government is needed? Beacuse that’s what QS is. Don’t believe me? Go check out their platform. They also have a formal alliance with the Quebec communist party; if you’re a member of one, you’re a member of the other.

    • Anto 14:05 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      @Marc: I’m having trouble finding the page where they talk about instituting a classless, moneyless state in Québec. Could you please provide a link?

    • Adam Hooper 14:25 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      Kate: “PR effect”? I’m offended.

      In my opinion, students and government alike should denounce violence and distance themselves from it. I will not blame Mme Beauchamp for violent actions of others, and I think most Quebeckers (including students) do not want a government that cowers before the threat of violence.

      From what I understand, you’re implying that Mme Beauchamp is playing a giant chess game with Quebec, goading students into violence for a PR win. I don’t see what difference that makes.

    • ant6n 16:00 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      @Adam Hooper
      Government and police exist in one large hierarchy of responsibility; the students don’t. Therefore one can hold politicians accountable for the voilence of the police they implicitly sanction; but if some students want to go haywire, you can’t summarily blame all students.

    • JaneyB 16:07 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      I wonder why the Charest government is so preoccupied with violent acts by some students (or non-students…) and so blasé about having lost $700 million in UQAM’s development projects. Could it be related to the untendered contracts given to an American company (Busac) that in turn made significant financial contributions to their party? If the government had bothered to intervene in the Ilot Voyageur mess, the students would not be being forced to cover the shortfall.

      I don’t understand why students groups are being held to a moral standard that this organized and elected government sails right over. If the government is serious about belt-tightening, why do they look the other way when some developer’s hand is in the till? As usual, following the money reveals a lot….

    • Adam Hooper 16:41 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      @ant6n: I think student unions imply a hierarchy. If there’s no hierarchy, whom would Mme Beauchamp negotiate with?

      This can be debated, but I don’t understand how it relates to what I’ve written. I never blamed all students. Heck, I never blamed *any* students.

    • ant6n 16:47 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      Well, you write “I will not blame Mme Beauchamp for violent actions of others, …”. And I am saying that one can hold government responsible for violent actions of police to a much greater extend than one can hold the student unions responsible for the violent actions of some students. The student unions have only limited control over all students; and there are some mass group dynamics that the minister should be aware of.

    • Josh 13:58 on 2012/04/27 Permalink

      Yeah, I have to say that comment was pretty insulting, Kate. Believe it or not, but it’s possible that people who disagree with you do think independently. You (and the people who support the students) don’t have the monopoly on critical thought.

      We could all sit here and snipe at one another personally. I don’t think that accomplishes much. I guess you see it differently.

    • Kate 17:28 on 2012/04/27 Permalink

      I think Charest’s quite the master of manipulation – you can’t be premier of this crazy place for a decade if you’re not. I heard him on CBC a few minutes ago, sounding like a sad uncle whose bad nephew had turned down a nice present. But all I could think of was this:

      So great was the power that Saruman exerted in this last effort that none that stood within hearing were unmoved. But now the spell was wholly different. They heard the gentle remonstrance of a kindly king with an erring but much-loved minister. But they were shut out, listening at a door to words not meant for them: ill-mannered children or stupid servants overhearing the elusive discourse of their elders, and wondering how it would affect their lot. Of loftier mould these two were made: reverend and wise. It was inevitable that they should make alliance. Gandalf would ascend into the tower, to discuss deep things beyond their comprehension in the high chambers of Orthanc. The door would be closed, and they would be left outside, dismissed to await allotted work or punishment. Even in the mind of Théoden the thought took shape, like a shadow of doubt: ‘He will betray us; he will go – we shall be lost.’

      Then Gandalf laughed. The fantasy vanished like a puff of smoke.

      Josh and Adam Hooper seem to be angling for an apology. Do people on your other internet forums often apologize for their opinions?

    • Josh 17:55 on 2012/04/27 Permalink

      When it’s personal, sure, sometimes I see people apologizing in forums on the internet. I’ve been known to even offer them from time to time when I’ve stepped over the line.

      And apologize or don’t, it’s no skin off my back either way. I think you took a pretty condescending tone with some of us though.

    • Craig 17:58 on 2012/04/27 Permalink

      Count me with Josh, Adam Hooper, and all the other right-wing, blood-sucking, baby-eating “fascist thugs” on this forum who may express a viewpoint that may diverge yours, Kate, which indeed seems to be the majority opinion on your site. We’re far from the “PR effect” dupes you take us for, and dare I say we’re part of the silent majority in this province.

      Personally, I don’t think you owe anyone an apology. But I think you could be a lot more respectful of opinions that differ from left-wing boilerplate. And certainly less condescending.

    • Kate 18:12 on 2012/04/27 Permalink

      You’re the one calling yourself a right-wing, blood-sucking, baby-eating fascist thug. I don’t call names.

    • Josh 18:15 on 2012/04/27 Permalink

      I’m a card-carrying New Democrat, Kate. I have voted NDP since I was old enough to.

      But presume and pigeonhole away!

    • Kate 18:39 on 2012/04/27 Permalink

      Yes, that’s lovely, dear.

    • ant6n 22:21 on 2012/04/27 Permalink

      left-wing boilerplate, eh.

    • Josh 15:42 on 2012/04/29 Permalink

      There’s that condescension that I bet is such an asset for you when you encounter people outside your bubble, huh Kate?

    • Kate 16:38 on 2012/04/29 Permalink

      Keep needling, Josh. It just shows you up.

  • 14:33 on 2012/04/25 Permalink | Reply  

    CLASSE has been barred from talks with Line Beauchamp even though Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois says his people have had nothing to do with recent smoke bombs and Tuesday night’s breakages downtown. FEUQ and FECQ have also left the talks.

     
    • Anto 14:42 on 2012/04/25 Permalink

      Interesting comment seen on a blog: If the entire CLASSE can be blamed for the acts of a few members, can the whole PLQ be blamed for Tony Tomassi?

    • Kate 14:54 on 2012/04/25 Permalink

      nice!

  • 11:56 on 2012/04/25 Permalink | Reply  

    Paul Wells has a brief wise critique on why what Michael Ignatieff said recently about Quebec should be seen in terms of his being a globe-trotting pundit, and not as coming from someone who has any further ambitions in Canadian political life.

    And I still think he looks like Gul Dukat, probably because he does rather resemble the actor who played the Cardassian power broker.

     
    • Hamza 13:41 on 2012/04/25 Permalink

      Dukat!!! Hahah. Poor Iggy. Even Stephane did better.

    • qatzelok 13:57 on 2012/04/25 Permalink

      On his Wiki page, you can see that Paul Wells supports higher tuition fees and the Clarity Act. So his disagreement has a lot of baggage attached to it.

    • Josh 17:29 on 2012/04/25 Permalink

      @qatzelok What on earth does his opinion on tuition fees have to do with what he’s writing about here?

    • qatzelok 23:28 on 2012/04/25 Permalink

      His opinions aren’t neutral commentary. They are biased and polarizing. That he doesn’t like Ignatieff’s opinions is probably because he doesn’t share them.

    • Kate 23:50 on 2012/04/25 Permalink

      qatzelok, sometimes you make sense, and sometimes you’re way out in left field. I’m afraid this sounds like one of the latter occasions.

    • qatzelok 10:48 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      In life, you can’t always be the pitcher. Sometimes, you have to wait in outfield for flyballs.

  • 11:34 on 2012/04/25 Permalink | Reply  

    Quel Avenir has invited a couple of anglo commenters to talk about the anglo-franco divide: Jack Jedwab, who begins with the tedious truism about anglos west, francos east of the Main, which I know to be a crude oversimplification of how working people lived in this city before the Quiet Revolution. His idea is to twin anglo and franco schools so kids can make friends.

    The other anglo is Daniel Weinstock, who speaks about the rigidity of law creating unnecessary barriers between the communities.

    I wonder whether guest texts to this La Presse blog are usually copyedited by their own people, and whether these texts were allowed to run without edits.

     
    • Snowpea 12:28 on 2012/04/25 Permalink

      I believe Weinstock’s text is unedited: it contains several grammatical errors, and one of the sentences seems to be missing a word or two.

    • AS 19:31 on 2012/04/26 Permalink

      Pairing schools? Why not just have bilingual schools? yea… that wont fly…

    • François Cardinal 07:24 on 2012/04/27 Permalink

      Je peux vous assurer qu’aucun texte n’a été édité, sinon pour en corriger le français. Je me demande même comment on peut imaginer un seul instant que ces personnalités puissent accepter sans rien dire que leur texte soit édité…

      François Cardinal

    • Kate 09:02 on 2012/04/27 Permalink

      Ah OK. C’est normal, on imprime les lettres à la redaction etc. sans corriger les fautes de grammaire et d’orthographie?

  • 11:28 on 2012/04/25 Permalink | Reply  

    Following the post right below with a link to a piece on jazz festival programming is a little dodgy, but it’s newsworthy all the same.

     
  • 11:15 on 2012/04/25 Permalink | Reply  

    Chris deWolf has a thoughtful piece on the development and depredations of the Quartier des Spectacles (illustrated with an old photo by yours truly) but I would add a few details to his description. He mentions that an “abandoned building” was turned into a jazz centre, which in a sense is true, but the Blumenthal building and the Wilder Building at 1455 Bleury, facing the Cinema Imperial, were never just abandoned. They used to be vibrant centres of cultural activity.

    Dance studios, galleries, small film production companies – early in its career the Montreal Mirror had offices in the Blumenthal, looking across at the Spectrum – as a general-purpose bohemian writer and designer I was inside the Blumenthal often for various reasons and it was a veritable hive, as was the adjoining building on Bleury.

    Before Jean Charest was elected in 2003, the PQ had big plans for the Balmoral block. Everything was to be torn down and a brand new giant glass pavilion constructed on the site. All the tenants of those buildings were given marching orders and they all left, but the PQ’s plans collapsed and the buildings were left empty. I believe the Wilder Building remains empty, while the Blumenthal is now the “Maison du Festival Rio Tinto Alcan”.

    The Tremblay administration recently passed a motion to support artists but this is closing the proverbial barn door after outright sacks of this kind have taken place, replacing actual working artists with show fronts like 2-22 and the Maison du Festival Rio Tinto Alcan.

    Chris’s piece is very much worth reading, but this is a piece of the picture I felt compelled to add.

     
    • Robert J 11:28 on 2012/04/25 Permalink

      I think those small studios etc. must have been really cool. But the current reorganization was probably a necessary evil. As downtown develops, those properties would have become unmanagable for small companies, and may well have been torn down. Artists will always do better uptown I think.

    • SMD 11:46 on 2012/04/25 Permalink

      They were really cool, Robert. The evacuation and abandonment of the Jet Film building (1455 Bleury) was not a necessary evil at all; there is no reason to think that it couldn’t have continued to thrive in the same way that the Belgo does, just a few blocks away.

      And what, may I ask, was the purpose of knocking down the Spectrum? The idea was to host more “spectacles” in the Quartiers des spectacles, so why destroy one of Montreal’s finest and most-storied live music venues? Fortunately the Best Buy that was slated to replace it hasn’t materialized, so the land could still be put to cultural use.

    • dewolf 21:06 on 2012/04/25 Permalink

      Thanks for adding this, Kate. You’re absolutely right. I remember when the Blumenthal was grimy but alive, with the SAT on the ground floor. The expropriation of that whole block was a real debacle.

  • 10:49 on 2012/04/25 Permalink | Reply  

    Just linking to a jpeg here about the massive book sale that seems to be an annual fixture now. I’ve gone to it – you have to be patient, because there’s always a long, long line to get in, but the books are varied and dirt cheap. When I’ve been, most were in French, but there were some in English and other languages.

     
  • 10:37 on 2012/04/25 Permalink | Reply  

    The first motorized vehicle bought by the City of Montreal was in 1910, for the fire chief, who was called Joseph Tremblay.

     
  • 10:02 on 2012/04/25 Permalink | Reply  

    Claude Dauphin is denying he has Mafia friends as a story circulates there’s evidence linking him to Rizzuto associates.

    I get the sense that Dauphin’s actually not all that crooked, but that he’s being hung out to dry by the Tremblay administration while wondering what he did that was any different from what almost everybody else at city hall was doing. Could be wrong, it’s just an impression.

     
  • 09:51 on 2012/04/25 Permalink | Reply  

    Metro service was just resuming after 10 this morning as I was making my way to the library. Someone chucked in a smoke bomb at Lionel-Groulx around 10.

    Later: 11:30 a.m., just noticed a crowded navette bus going past on Berri, visible from where I’m sitting in the library – and sure enough, tweets report trouble at Henri-Bourassa and the orange line down again.

     
  • 09:49 on 2012/04/25 Permalink | Reply  

    Seems a Nazi collaborator lives near Montreal and some people want to deport him. Questions about him have come up before but new evidence shows Vladimir Katriuk participated in a massacre at a village called Khatyn in what’s now called Belarus. Like all remaining Nazis, Katriuk is in his nineties.

     
  • 09:40 on 2012/04/25 Permalink | Reply  

    Food and Drinks in Montreal proposes a list of spots with great coffee, but omits the Cafe Milano (noisy site) and the Café Bar Gentile, so it’s kind of iffy.

     
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