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  • Kate 19:15 on 2012/04/22 Permalink | Reply  

    The website of CLASSE says they have condemned violence but the Journal de Montréal says they have not done so.

    • Joey 19:32 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      The Journal story is 26 hours old. La Presse just had a story saying the CLASSE has adopted a resolution condemning physical violence except in self-defence, but that amendments were expected.

    • Kate 20:17 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      Good point. Here’s a Journal piece from Sunday.

    • paul 08:48 on 2012/04/23 Permalink

      On Radio Canada last night, their spokesman said that they condemn violence against another human, but do not condemn destruction of property. Sorry, I don’t have a link.

  • Kate 19:11 on 2012/04/22 Permalink | Reply  

    The body of a young man was found in a car trunk in Pierrefonds on Saturday and the cops are calling it homicide #7. (Homicide #6 was racked up on March 14. That’s five weeks without a killing – pretty good for a city this size.)

    • Charles 16:10 on 2012/04/23 Permalink

      Baltimore had about 4 murders a week last year, and that was a good year! And their population is less half of Montreal’s.

  • Kate 19:01 on 2012/04/22 Permalink | Reply  

    Environment Canada climate scientists attending the Polar Year conference in Montreal are being closely monitored by government minders so that they can’t speak freely to the media.

    • steph 19:32 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      This is disgusting.

    • Marc 21:00 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      If they want to speak freely then let them work elsewhere. No one is forced to work for the government.

    • William 22:11 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      That’s incredibly simplistic reasoning when you’re talking about something as specific as scientific research. If you wanted to contribute to humanity’s understanding of climate change (for example) through arctic research, who exactly would you go work for, Marc?

    • Martin 02:27 on 2012/04/23 Permalink

      Besides, the government is working for us, therefore the scientist are working for the canadian population. They should be free to speak. Canada is not a private company.

    • Jack 06:31 on 2012/04/23 Permalink

      Marc here is a Corporate response…..I pay taxes, they work for me. I pay for their expertise.I have a right to know what they have to say.

    • Blork 07:23 on 2012/04/23 Permalink

      Welcome to China.

    • Ian 07:28 on 2012/04/23 Permalink

      @Jack – a government is not a corporate entitity. The point of a corporation is to increase profit; the point of a government is to govern, or in a more specifically Canadian sense, “Peace, order, and Good Government”.

      >Good government referred to good public administration, on the one hand, but also had echoes of what we now talk of as good governance, which incorporates the notion of appropriate self-governance by civil society actors, since one element of good government was thought to be its limitation to its appropriate sphere of responsibility.


    • qatzelok 09:23 on 2012/04/23 Permalink

      “If the world being flat is good for oil companies, then let Canadians and other consumers learn that it is flat.”

    • Kate 10:17 on 2012/04/23 Permalink

      Well put, qatzelok!

  • Kate 17:50 on 2012/04/22 Permalink | Reply  

    Travel and Leisure has named the Wilensky’s special one of the world’s top sandwiches.

    I don’t tend to eat sandwiches but, going by memory, the “mix” sandwich at Slovenia on the Main would blow that thing out of the water. I guess it doesn’t have the literary credentials, though.

    • Ian 17:57 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      Ultimately the Wilensky special is ho-hum but it’s been the same ho-hum for 80 years (ish) which has a certain cachet. Even boulangerie Clarke is infinitely better from an actual-eating-of-food perspective.

    • Marc 20:56 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      By no means health food!

    • William 22:11 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      +1 for Slovenia.

    • Blork 07:27 on 2012/04/23 Permalink

      They might get away with calling it a “notable” sandwich because of the history and all the silliness around it, but “best?” That just exposes how ridiculous the magazine is.

    • Michel 11:00 on 2012/04/23 Permalink

      Yup, the mix sandwich, combined with a Cott’s Black Cherry cola, makes me a very happy boy.
      A friend of mine was the soda jerk at Wilensky’s back in the late ’80s; I’ve never been but was told that you had to pay extra for substitutions, such as no mustard. Yeah, no one is that special.

    • Mary 12:25 on 2012/04/23 Permalink

      I wish Wilensky’s a long life because it IS a Montreal institution, but their food is absolute crap, even worse than Ben’s used to be in its last years of existence.

    • Tux 12:41 on 2012/04/23 Permalink

      Yeah Wilensky’s is a good sandwich… but Slovenia definitely beats it! I’ll take a breaded pork cutlet with mustard and pickled peppers over a fried bologna sandwich any day. However Wilensky’s is pretty cool, traditional fountain soda and (always scores points with me) available half-sour pickles.

      Note: I’m talking about the Slovenia on Clark… I’ve never been to the one on the main…?

    • Kate 07:01 on 2012/04/24 Permalink

      Ah. I was thinking about the Slovenia down on the Main. I’ve never been in the one on Clark near the viaduct. Are they branches of the same business?

  • Kate 17:35 on 2012/04/22 Permalink | Reply  

    Pictured: a small segment of the estimated 250,000 people who walked – very slowly – from the Place des Festivals up Bleury/Parc to hear music and speeches at the foot of Mount Royal. Saw lots of signs in favour of environmental causes and many espousing more specific political notions, oodles of red squares, but there were also lots of children and even dogs, and people stayed very calm. No incidents have been reported.

    • Ian 18:00 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      The CBC is reporting “tens of thousands”. Is it just me, or is there a slight anti-student bias? They blamed Friday’s riot on students, calling it a “student demonstration” when there were clearly a bunch of groups involved, they always under-report demo turnout, and almost every story includes a graph indicating how low Quebec tuitions are compared to the ROC. Anyone got an in with the Ceeb to verify or deny?

    • ant6n 19:30 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      Just listen what Rex Murphy had to say (I think he’s usually more informed).

    • Ian 19:53 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      Rex Murphy’s op-ed is meant to be controversial, and as an op-ed has no responsibility toward unbiased reportage. That he’s a total buffoon and has been for years is merely coincidental.

    • Antonio 20:44 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      @Ian: The CBC is providing perspective to the students’ disgraceful antics and shamefully over-the-top analogies (maple spring!?!). Rex Murphy a buffoon? Not a chance.

    • ant6n 21:04 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      I don’t think Murphy is trying to be as controversial as you may think. I think this is simply the kind of perspective in Toronto, which doesn’t understand the student strike at all.

      They just had a discussion panel on the “National”, with two Quebecers where one actually gave a more insight, for example mentioning the generation issue (the preceding piece about the spokesperson of CLASSE was mostly a fully piece without content). But the questions coming from the CBC moderator were a wee bit loaded – starting off with asking whether Quebec is Canada’s Greece.

      On the CBC they always handwave the concerns of students away by saying that they currently pay have the average of Canada (never really going into the many arguments students have brought forth against the tuition increases) – if they mention the student strike at all. They also never mentioned the violence coming from the police, or even the allegations; but always mentioning the violence coming from students; and often deliberately juxtaposing students or people arguing for the students with the protests that got out of hand.

    • Ian 05:43 on 2012/04/23 Permalink

      Sorry, but I’m going to have to play the Toronto card on this on – I am from Ontario, lived in southwestern Ontario 25 years. Rex Murphy is widely perceived as a buffoon even in Ontario (gasp). @antonio – say what you like, it’s an op-ed. My opinion, shared with many others, is that Rex Murphy is a buffoon whose grasp on most issues he addresses is thin at best.

      @ant6n – I don’t doubt that the ROC doesn’t grasp the situation in QC but I think to some extent that’s because CBC is slanting the story in the ways you describe.

  • Kate 10:45 on 2012/04/22 Permalink | Reply  

    Marie-Claude Lortie asks where is her society? Read the final two paragraphs at least.

    • mdblog 11:08 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      Very good piece, and thank you Kate for posting it here. I think that the problem she’s alluding to is not unique to Quebec. All over the “western” world, societies have become increasingly polarized. Whereas once there were leaders who, despite being of one political persuasion, were able to rise above the noise and come to solutions that at least tried to serve the greater good, we now have leaders like Pauline Marois and Mitt Romney who shamelessly cater to the extremes of their political bases.

      Society is built on the acceptance that sometimes you pay the piper and sometimes the piper pays you, and that at the end of the day you were better off cooperating than going at it lone wolf style. Another word for this is trust, and all over the world there seems to be a real lack of it, which directly feeds our current political malaise. We are back at the chicken and the egg problem and with what our leaders have put us through, nothing short of a miracle will convince anyone to take the risk and go first.

    • Adam 12:30 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      “leaders like Pauline Marois and Mitt Romney who shamelessly cater to the extremes”

      I remember when the biggest knock against Mitt Romney was that he was a flip-flopping Etch-a-Sketch, way back in late March 2012.

      I find the man as loathsome as any politician, but the critics should at least bear in mind that he can’t be both a rabid extremist *and* a pandering blank slate.

    • Ian 17:58 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      Good point, Adam. We all admire forcefulness when it’s from a figure whose politics we share.

  • Kate 09:26 on 2012/04/22 Permalink | Reply  

    The big Earth Day demo will take place this afternoon, starting on Place des Festivals under the theme of the common good. Several key political people will be there – from opposition parties. Police have a rather confusing map of the proposed march, which is available in pdf format in more detail on the 22avril site. Gazette sees it in terms of road closings so there’s that info.

    • Chris 14:28 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      The Gazette always takes the automobile angle. I figure most Gazette readers are in the West Island, where most everyone has a car.

    • Jack 06:26 on 2012/04/23 Permalink

      All major newspapers are funded by car ads, take a look at your paper and count them.One estimate is 44% of all ad revenues generated come from that one industry. Pushing back using this media is near impossible.

  • Kate 09:06 on 2012/04/22 Permalink | Reply  

    A blogger has a detailed piece about the English spoken in Quebec and its quirks. I’ve heard (and used) most of these, one time or another. I especially like the point that “all dressed” depends totally on context. (I had an all-dressed lahmajoun the other day which involved tomatoes, onions, pickled turnip, two kinds of olives and fresh mint.) He gets a few minor things wrong (like not knowing there’s a hospital commonly called “the Children’s”) but it’s generally well observed.

    He doesn’t mention one important influence on the city’s spoken English, though, which is Italian. I’m pretty sure the people I’ve known who tend to “open the lights” have been Montreal Italians.

    • Ian 10:04 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      I’m from Ontario originally – A terrasse is a patio in the ROC. “all dressed” is equivalent to “the works” in the ROC and also depends on the food in question. Double double is common to all of Canada. Saying “the cash” is common in Ontario. Most of those funny things Anglos say besides the adopted words are funny things Italians all over Canada say – you got that in one, Kate. The one thing that really bugs me about Montreal Anglos is that most of them don’t make a distinction between co-operation and collaboration… Anyway this isn’t a particularly accurate article – the writer’s from the UK and doesn’t know much about the ROC evidently.

    • Alex Bowyer 10:36 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      Thanks for posting Kate! You are correct, I haven’t had much exposure to the Italian influence. Actually I am aware of “the Children’s” (hospital) – that’s the one near Atwater right? Maybe I wasn’t clear in my writing, but that’s why I theorized that it’s just abbreviation – meaning for that specific hospital. I’ve definitely seen their fundraising posters talk about “un children” though.

      Ian, again you are correct this is just my own observations and theories based on my experiences in Québec, and I’ve only done a few short trips to Ontario. I did qualify it by saying it’s entirely subjective. I didn’t expect to be entirely accurate, and I didn’t mean to imply what I wrote was in any way definitive. I’m glad that discussions like these and the ones in the comments are uncovering more theories, observations and linguistic quirks.

      “Montreal Anglos don’t make a distinction between co-operation and collaboration” is an interesting observation.. I hadn’t noticed that one at all. As a Brit I am very aware of the difference… I will have to watch out for it.

    • jeather 10:37 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      It’s the first time I’d experienced another language influencing English, usually it’s English that absorbs words from other languages.

      He’s never seen other languages influencing English, just other languages giving words (and phrases) to English?

      Writing an exam is not, generally, ambiguous elsewhere. (The teachers write it.). Relatedly, marks vs grades, and “three on five” vs “three out of five”.

    • Blork 14:30 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      Where I grew up in Nova Scotia, a pizza with pepperoni, mushrooms, and green peppers was called a “combination.”

    • AS 15:46 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      A difference between co-operation and collaboration?

    • dewolf 19:47 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      One thing that might surprise Alex — here in Hong Kong, people say “subvention” instead of “subsidy.” For instance, “The ESF school board receives an annual subvention of $200 million” or “This facility is subvented by the government.”

      I’ve always thought it was strange since there’s no real French influence there.

    • Alex Bowyer 09:23 on 2012/04/23 Permalink

      Great point @jeather – that sentence is completely contradictory! I will correct it to what I meant to say!

    • j2 11:07 on 2012/04/23 Permalink

      Dated a Montreal girl who was English mothertongue, of Scottish descent, and she used “close the light” – but she did high school in French. Similarly, people I knew from Gatineau who were essentially accentless in English used “close the light”. I don’t see the link to Italians specifically, I think it’s just exposure to that modality.

  • Kate 08:52 on 2012/04/22 Permalink | Reply  

    Influence Communications shows us which Canadian dailies talk most about the environment, and the winner may surprise you. Three of Montreal’s papers fall at 6, 7 and 10 in a 10-place race.

  • Kate 00:05 on 2012/04/22 Permalink | Reply  

    A group of influential Quebecers – you could describe them as elders of society – have put their names to a solemn declaration advising the Charest government to talk to the student groups and to bend on the tuition hikes – but also advising the students to stop their strike action if there’s a positive response from the government.

    • Antonio 07:12 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      Elders, indeed. A more critical summary would have been: unelected and therefore unaccountable Parti Québécois sympathizers put their names to a pamphlet in a disingenuous bit of partisan politics.

    • mdblog 07:31 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      I fear that the student groups behind the protests have polarized the issue, making any kind of compromise-type solution impossible.

    • Benoit 08:28 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      A lire les commentaires sur ce site, j’ai tendance à croire que la communauté anglophone voit une conspiration séparatiste-péquiste-socialiste dans les revendications légitimes des étudiants. J’aimerais lire plus souvent ceux et celles qui sont capable de faire fie de leurs craintes quant à la question nationale dans ce débat.

    • Kate 08:43 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      Antonio, they are doing what elders are meant to do – find a basis for peace. I don’t care what their partisan background is, they’re doing something that needs to be done at this stage.

    • Ian 09:54 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      @Benoit – A reflex distrust of the PQ and other sovereigntist parties is common to most Anglos, but I haven’t seen any evidence of this “seperatist conspiracy” being conflated with the student movement. For that matter, anyone that thinks the PQ are socialist needs to get their head checked. If anything the PQ have been pretty quiet about the whole student movement which makes me wonder if they’re a legitimate choice compared to the Liberals in the next election on this issue. Are there any major political groups that have come out in support of the students other than the unions? No? Yeah, that’s what I thought. If there’s any conspiracy it’s the powers-that-be, including the PQ through their silence, shutting down the legitimate struggle of the student movement through media manipulation and police intimidation.

    • Jack 12:25 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      Benoit the commentary about the strike has been in no way monolithic in terms of anglo opinion.Like franco’s their is a wide body of different thought.You are right about the PQ though, the sense among most anglo’s progressives is that the PQ no longer believes in Civic Nationalism and is now playing race politics ( Halal,Nous,Anglisisation,etc.) and as that happens we all loose.

    • AS 16:04 on 2012/04/22 Permalink

      This is kind of off topic. There can be no Civic Nationalism with the PQ. At least Duceppe understood its importance. The only way the bilingual/anglo communities are going to be able to defend their rights is to have some form of political forum/lever where their votes actually count. Seceding from Montreal sounded like a good idea at the time, but it has left us with small cities with little to no power. Montreal/Laval/the South Shore should be just one big bilingual city.

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