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  • 21:43 on 2011/08/20 Permalink | Reply  

    La Presse looks at Montreal’s brief stint as the capital of the united Canadas between 1843 and 1848, with some historical background and a photo spread showing how the archaeologists are working in Place Youville, the site of the parliament building of the era, and some of the items that have been dug up.

    I’m a little cynical about this exercise because 1848 is the day before yesterday in archaeological terms, and talking about Montreal’s “forgotten” time as the capital only works if we assume nobody ever learns Canadian history. In fact the period from the 1837 rebellions up till Confederation is probably one of the more interesting bits of history we’ve got, and one of the most studied. We’re not talking ancient Sumer or Mohenjo-Daro here. There may be some details to learn about the exact position of the old parliament building, but it’s not like knowledge of that era has been lost in the mists of time.

     
    • Alison Cummins 04:44 on 2011/08/21 Permalink

      Thanks for this, Kate: I hadn’t known about Mohenjo-daro and now I do.

    • William Raillant-Clark 10:12 on 2011/08/21 Permalink

      I’m curious to know more about your cynicism? For example, do you think this is a politically motivated exercise, or that it’s just hype?

    • Alex L 11:54 on 2011/08/21 Permalink

      Il y a peu de sites archéologiques qui emploient plus d’une douzaine d’archéologues à la fois; c’est un chantier majeur. Le site du marché Sainte-Anne est sur la pointe à Callière, endroit qui a été utilisé bien avant l’arrivée des européens et donc bien avant l’étape du parlement du Canada-Uni. Les médias parlent principalement de ce dernier car c’est à cette étape où en sont rendues les fouilles, mais aussi parce qu’il en constitue l’étape la plus prestigieuse et donc ayant le plus d’impact pour un article de presse.

      Aussi Kate, il ne faut surtout pas confondre histoire et archéologie; l’une se fie principalement sur des documents historiques, l’autre sur le matériel retrouvé lors de fouilles. Les parlementaires ne consignaient pas leur quotidien sur papier, ni les agriculteurs se rendant au marché, ni les amérindiens campant sur place. Un tout nouvel aspect de la vie de ces gens, à cette époque, se dévoile peu à peu lors des fouilles. Après tout on ne retrouve pas un parlement dans toutes les cours arrières des bâtiments.

      Finalement, 1848 n’est pas tant le jour avant hier en archéologie québécoise. Il existe de multiples façons de faire l’archéologie dans le monde, les États-Unis, le Canada et le Québec étant probablement parmi les endroits où l’on donne le plus d’importance à l’archéologie historique. Un site de cette époque a toutes les chances du monde d’être fouillé superficiellement au Mexique ou en France, mais ne le sera que très rarement ici, ce qui à mon sens est une excellente chose.

    • Kate 01:07 on 2011/08/22 Permalink

      William, it’s complicated. I think it’s an exercise for archaeologists from here, and is probably educational for them and for any observers, but I also find that I think it’s kind of lame. Alex L does make a good point about the distinction between history being about what’s written down vs. archaeology about life as it’s lived, but I wonder how many surprises there will be, or if we pretty much already know how life was lived in 19th-century Montreal.

      Yes, I do think there’s politics involved. I think it goes two ways, in this case. By digging there they remind everyone that the anglos of the time burned the building down, which has its political uses, and by focusing on how the white inhabitants of the island of Montreal were living it more or less emphasizes that this is what’s important here. I find I have a knowledge gap about how people lived here before Europeans arrived, and it’s partly simply because they knew how to live on the land without leaving much trace, but also because it’s an archaeological question, not a question of history (i.e., written records) so it’s a different kind of information from the story that starts in 1642 with Maisonneuve, Jeanne Mance and their friends.

      Jacques Cartier saw a native village when he was here in 1535, and we don’t even know where it was! Compared to that question, fragments of china plates from 1848 seem kind of trivial.

  • 21:28 on 2011/08/20 Permalink | Reply  

    Australian driver Marcos Ambrose won Saturday’s Napa 200 in a race that included his collision with Jacques Villeneuve.

     
  • 21:01 on 2011/08/20 Permalink | Reply  

    Le Chateau cinema
    Guillaume Saint-Jean catches the current owner of the Chateau cinema (on Saint-Denis at Bélanger) demolishing the marquee with no apparent permit for the work. The 1931 building is classified as historic, although Guillaume notes the marquee was added later (and often contained religious exhortations when the building was used as a church, which it isn’t any more). Above is a 2004 then-and-now shot by me, where you can see the building’s original marquee was a lot more ornate and it once had a terrific vertical sign, probably in neon.

     
    • yip 16:46 on 2011/08/21 Permalink

      The ornate marquee was beautiful, the one that replaced it is not. The building will probably look better without it…

  • 09:21 on 2011/08/20 Permalink | Reply  


    The STM has put up dozens of transit ads from the 1930s and 1940s on Facebook (they’re visible even if you’re not logged in there). Fascinating stuff, culturally and graphically, although I’d like to have seen some of the ads that must have run simultaneously in the English papers.

    Later: Curious, I dug through the Gazette archive on Google News to find this set of parallel English ads (that too should be viewable outside Facebook).

    Incidentally, it seems to me the transit system ran a fair number of ads, so recent carping about how much PR the STM now does is not taking account of how this has always been so. I was also struck by how many car ads the Gazette had back in the 1930s, yet even though some of the Montreal Tramways ads promoted transit as better than car ownership, they ran at least some of the Tramways ads anyway.

    In other retro newsy stuff, Archives de Montréal has put up a photo set from an Expos-Cubs game in 1991, for anyone feeling nostalgic.

    And Kristian looks back at the old days of St. James West in lower NDG.

     
    • Doobious 00:21 on 2011/08/21 Permalink

      Nice job digging up the English tramways ads. There’s a lot of gold in them there Gazoo archives, for anyone who cares to invest the time hunting. The BANQ site offers up a lot of good stuff too.

    • qatzelok 13:32 on 2011/08/21 Permalink

      I like the ad you chose for this piece.

  • 08:59 on 2011/08/20 Permalink | Reply  

    It seems to be moderately big news that Jacques Villeneuve won pole position for Saturday afternoon’s NASCAR race. Some photos.

    I don’t actually know what “pole position” means, but I can detect it has some importance.

     
    • faiz imam 02:21 on 2011/08/21 Permalink

      The racer who has the fastest time in practice gets to be first to start the race, aka “pole position”

    • Kate 10:05 on 2011/08/21 Permalink

      aha. thank you.

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