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		<title>Comment on Metro is green, buses not so much by William</title>
		<link>http://w5.montreal.com/mtlweblog/?p=5209&#038;cpage=1#comment-2685</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s completely scandalous that the STM is allowed to squander millions on kitschy and trite publicity campaigns while these dreadful ancient buses continue to ply our roads. Maybe the city should offer the STL a chance to run buses here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s completely scandalous that the STM is allowed to squander millions on kitschy and trite publicity campaigns while these dreadful ancient buses continue to ply our roads. Maybe the city should offer the STL a chance to run buses here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A couple of nice then-and-now shots by AJ</title>
		<link>http://w5.montreal.com/mtlweblog/?p=5212&#038;cpage=1#comment-2684</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw a piece on the news yesterday about the movement to reopen the community centre. Also of note, there are plans to resurrect the Empress Theatre (aka Cinema V) as a permanent home for the Black Theatre Workshop.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2010/08/31/mtl-negro-centre.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw a piece on the news yesterday about the movement to reopen the community centre. Also of note, there are plans to resurrect the Empress Theatre (aka Cinema V) as a permanent home for the Black Theatre Workshop.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2010/08/31/mtl-negro-centre.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2010/08/31/mtl-negro-centre.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Plateau to crack down on bar noise by walkerp</title>
		<link>http://w5.montreal.com/mtlweblog/?p=5187&#038;cpage=1#comment-2683</link>
		<dc:creator>walkerp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree.  We live just around the block from the Main and so get ancillary wackiness and noise late on Friday and Saturday nights.  But start cracking down on that and you start to suppress all the manifold benefits (culture, social liveliness, tons to do, etc.) that we get from living in the area.  I&#039;d love people to litter less, but don&#039;t want to see any laws on having fun</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree.  We live just around the block from the Main and so get ancillary wackiness and noise late on Friday and Saturday nights.  But start cracking down on that and you start to suppress all the manifold benefits (culture, social liveliness, tons to do, etc.) that we get from living in the area.  I&#8217;d love people to litter less, but don&#8217;t want to see any laws on having fun</p>
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		<title>Comment on Metro is green, buses not so much by david tighe</title>
		<link>http://w5.montreal.com/mtlweblog/?p=5209&#038;cpage=1#comment-2682</link>
		<dc:creator>david tighe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it be that the controversial rubber tyres (which I am ambivalent about given the enormous infrastructure costs they impose) actually contribute to reliability? It would be the only plus I can imagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be that the controversial rubber tyres (which I am ambivalent about given the enormous infrastructure costs they impose) actually contribute to reliability? It would be the only plus I can imagine.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Boisvert on the city&#8217;s favourite roof by Kate</title>
		<link>http://w5.montreal.com/mtlweblog/?p=5157&#038;cpage=1#comment-2675</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 23:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ, I agree with you. I wonder how much stupid infighting between the STM and the AMT, and between the metropolis and the suburbs, has happened about transit, and has blocked the development of a system such as you describe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ, I agree with you. I wonder how much stupid infighting between the STM and the AMT, and between the metropolis and the suburbs, has happened about transit, and has blocked the development of a system such as you describe.</p>
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		<title>Comment on STM rules out air conditioning by Kate</title>
		<link>http://w5.montreal.com/mtlweblog/?p=5111&#038;cpage=1#comment-2670</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the analysis, TransportJames.

&lt;i&gt;just think how hot your car gets in the sun with the windows closed&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve never had a car, but I&#039;m familiar with the phenomenon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the analysis, TransportJames.</p>
<p><i>just think how hot your car gets in the sun with the windows closed</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never had a car, but I&#8217;m familiar with the phenomenon.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Metro AC a hot potato (heh heh) by Kate</title>
		<link>http://w5.montreal.com/mtlweblog/?p=5184&#038;cpage=1#comment-2669</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tux, if you read some of the articles I&#039;ve linked to, air conditioning on our public transit has never come very high in the list of user priorities as worked out from surveys. Not surprising it&#039;s on everyone&#039;s minds this week, but &quot;anything that gets people to stop using their cars is a good thing&quot; has to run up against what&#039;s cost-effective. How many weeks out of the year do we really need air conditioning?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tux, if you read some of the articles I&#8217;ve linked to, air conditioning on our public transit has never come very high in the list of user priorities as worked out from surveys. Not surprising it&#8217;s on everyone&#8217;s minds this week, but &#8220;anything that gets people to stop using their cars is a good thing&#8221; has to run up against what&#8217;s cost-effective. How many weeks out of the year do we really need air conditioning?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Metro AC a hot potato (heh heh) by Tux</title>
		<link>http://w5.montreal.com/mtlweblog/?p=5184&#038;cpage=1#comment-2668</link>
		<dc:creator>Tux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in favour of AC on the metro and in the buses. Some days, the bus is hell... standing for 45 minutes, sweaty smelly bodies crushed in all around you, sweat dripping down your face... it makes you want to buy a car. If we increased the comfort level on our public transport, perhaps more people would use it, resulting in a net gain in environmental cleanliness from the cars more people riding transport would get off the road... 

Obviously I have no statistics or expertise, but it seems to me anything that gets people to stop using their cars is a good thing, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in favour of AC on the metro and in the buses. Some days, the bus is hell&#8230; standing for 45 minutes, sweaty smelly bodies crushed in all around you, sweat dripping down your face&#8230; it makes you want to buy a car. If we increased the comfort level on our public transport, perhaps more people would use it, resulting in a net gain in environmental cleanliness from the cars more people riding transport would get off the road&#8230; </p>
<p>Obviously I have no statistics or expertise, but it seems to me anything that gets people to stop using their cars is a good thing, no?</p>
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		<title>Comment on STM rules out air conditioning by TransportJames</title>
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		<dc:creator>TransportJames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate:

Things can certainly be done to the new trains to allow a future installation of an air-conditioning unit.  But there is not a lot of room on the train to install these bulky units.  

The STM is already working on the problem of overheating in the metro.  For example, they are building a new ventilation tunnel near Jean-Talon metro:
http://www.stm.info/info/infostm/2010/100804.pdf
The best that can be achieved with this approach is to bring the temperature of the tunnels and stations to the outside air temperature.

To my knowledge, the metro is not heated.  There are heaters in the cars but I don’t think that they are turned on.  The heat in the stations/trains can come from: the passengers themselves, the brake shoes after friction braking, the tires from the rolling resistance, and the inefficiency losses of the traction motors.
For trains that run outside, a major source of heat is solar radiation (just think how hot your car gets in the sun with the windows closed).  Luckily Montreal’s metro does not have to deal with this problem.

Adding an air-conditioner to the train would just add an extra source of heat to the tunnels and stations.  People would then naturally call for installing air-conditioning in the stations.  In order for air-conditioning in the stations to work, the STM would likely need to install platform screen doors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_screen_doors) so that the station area can be efficiently air-conditioned without having the cold air escape into the tunnels and then out the ventilation shafts.

Air-conditioning the trains would therefore likely result in a cascade of major retrofit costs to the entire network.

London has had this problem for many years and there is even a web site about it:
http://undergroundcooling.co.uk/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate:</p>
<p>Things can certainly be done to the new trains to allow a future installation of an air-conditioning unit.  But there is not a lot of room on the train to install these bulky units.  </p>
<p>The STM is already working on the problem of overheating in the metro.  For example, they are building a new ventilation tunnel near Jean-Talon metro:<br />
<a href="http://www.stm.info/info/infostm/2010/100804.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.stm.info/info/infostm/2010/100804.pdf</a><br />
The best that can be achieved with this approach is to bring the temperature of the tunnels and stations to the outside air temperature.</p>
<p>To my knowledge, the metro is not heated.  There are heaters in the cars but I don’t think that they are turned on.  The heat in the stations/trains can come from: the passengers themselves, the brake shoes after friction braking, the tires from the rolling resistance, and the inefficiency losses of the traction motors.<br />
For trains that run outside, a major source of heat is solar radiation (just think how hot your car gets in the sun with the windows closed).  Luckily Montreal’s metro does not have to deal with this problem.</p>
<p>Adding an air-conditioner to the train would just add an extra source of heat to the tunnels and stations.  People would then naturally call for installing air-conditioning in the stations.  In order for air-conditioning in the stations to work, the STM would likely need to install platform screen doors (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_screen_doors" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_screen_doors</a>) so that the station area can be efficiently air-conditioned without having the cold air escape into the tunnels and then out the ventilation shafts.</p>
<p>Air-conditioning the trains would therefore likely result in a cascade of major retrofit costs to the entire network.</p>
<p>London has had this problem for many years and there is even a web site about it:<br />
<a href="http://undergroundcooling.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://undergroundcooling.co.uk/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Boisvert on the city&#8217;s favourite roof by AJ</title>
		<link>http://w5.montreal.com/mtlweblog/?p=5157&#038;cpage=1#comment-2666</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as a point of fact, the Montreal metro doesn&#039;t have a 3rd rail - ALL the rails are part of the circuit. The current is transmitted via the two yellow sidebars, picked up by carbon brush electrodes, and the metal rails are the return channel according to what I read recently. 

I think if we want a metro system that can bridge to the outside - notably to flatter sections of the city to the east and west of the central plateau / escarpment - the best and easiest solution is to create intermodal stations where you can change from Metro to light rail. We could create a few lines that run along existing highways (20, 40/Met, Decarie, Cote-de-Liesse), with stops and hubs connecting existing Metros with commuter rail; maybe if we teamed up via the AMT, this could become a single network for Montreal, Laval and the South Shore (also at a cost savings). Frankly, we need something like the NYC subway-rail infrastructure to tie things together more seamlessly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as a point of fact, the Montreal metro doesn&#8217;t have a 3rd rail &#8211; ALL the rails are part of the circuit. The current is transmitted via the two yellow sidebars, picked up by carbon brush electrodes, and the metal rails are the return channel according to what I read recently. </p>
<p>I think if we want a metro system that can bridge to the outside &#8211; notably to flatter sections of the city to the east and west of the central plateau / escarpment &#8211; the best and easiest solution is to create intermodal stations where you can change from Metro to light rail. We could create a few lines that run along existing highways (20, 40/Met, Decarie, Cote-de-Liesse), with stops and hubs connecting existing Metros with commuter rail; maybe if we teamed up via the AMT, this could become a single network for Montreal, Laval and the South Shore (also at a cost savings). Frankly, we need something like the NYC subway-rail infrastructure to tie things together more seamlessly.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Spacing on District Griffin by William</title>
		<link>http://w5.montreal.com/mtlweblog/?p=5194&#038;cpage=1#comment-2665</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 14:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that there is a fine line between &quot;consensus building&quot; and &quot;pandering to opponents&quot;</description>
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		<title>Comment on Metro AC a hot potato (heh heh) by blork</title>
		<link>http://w5.montreal.com/mtlweblog/?p=5184&#038;cpage=1#comment-2660</link>
		<dc:creator>blork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 04:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But on a bus you have the possibility of catching a breeze. I spend about 90 minutes a day on the Metro, and on a day like today it is stifling. The station is hot and breezeless, the platform is hot and breezeless, and the Metro car is hot and breezeless. Just kill me now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But on a bus you have the possibility of catching a breeze. I spend about 90 minutes a day on the Metro, and on a day like today it is stifling. The station is hot and breezeless, the platform is hot and breezeless, and the Metro car is hot and breezeless. Just kill me now!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Metro AC a hot potato (heh heh) by zach</title>
		<link>http://w5.montreal.com/mtlweblog/?p=5184&#038;cpage=1#comment-2659</link>
		<dc:creator>zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 04:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People take so long to get onto buses I dont even think AC would work. Not to be handicapist but Ive  been stuck on the 80 many times for fifteen minutes while the driver tried to open the ramp... that would surely void any AC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People take so long to get onto buses I dont even think AC would work. Not to be handicapist but Ive  been stuck on the 80 many times for fifteen minutes while the driver tried to open the ramp&#8230; that would surely void any AC.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Metro AC a hot potato (heh heh) by Marc</title>
		<link>http://w5.montreal.com/mtlweblog/?p=5184&#038;cpage=1#comment-2657</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 03:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d much rather see A/C in the buses rather than the Metro.  You spend less time in the latter.  The bus drivers union has been asking for it for ages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d much rather see A/C in the buses rather than the Metro.  You spend less time in the latter.  The bus drivers union has been asking for it for ages.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Boisvert on the city&#8217;s favourite roof by MB</title>
		<link>http://w5.montreal.com/mtlweblog/?p=5157&#038;cpage=1#comment-2653</link>
		<dc:creator>MB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate, there are still steel rails and backup steel wheels that can support the trains in the event of tires blowing out.  Also, what difference would it make to terrorists if the trains were outdoors or indoors?

This whole thing is urban legend:  the snow isn&#039;t inherently a serious problem for rubber tires if they are designed appropriately.  The same legend comes back in reference to streetcars/trams running on our roads with steel wheels.  Cars, buses, and trucks seem to manage reasonably well even without rails.

It&#039;s really so very simple why the Montreal Metro runs entirely underground:  It&#039;s the trains and the rails, not the wheels.  The trains aren&#039;t weatherproof, and precipitation would cause problems with the third rails.

Not to mention, ZEL was right to say that today&#039;s steel wheel technologies can achieve the same grades and turn radii as rubber tired sets.  However, they can&#039;t do them as quickly or as quietly.  Imagine how screechingly noisy and S-L-O-W the tunnel between Champ-de-Mars and Berri-UQÀM would be???  Plus...knowing that there are shale deposits in our bedrock, I&#039;d imagine the vibrations could cause some problems...

etc. etc. etc.  ZEL is a scheister and a bully, plain and simple.  They would have left us with a big bill and without a usable metro for years and years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate, there are still steel rails and backup steel wheels that can support the trains in the event of tires blowing out.  Also, what difference would it make to terrorists if the trains were outdoors or indoors?</p>
<p>This whole thing is urban legend:  the snow isn&#8217;t inherently a serious problem for rubber tires if they are designed appropriately.  The same legend comes back in reference to streetcars/trams running on our roads with steel wheels.  Cars, buses, and trucks seem to manage reasonably well even without rails.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really so very simple why the Montreal Metro runs entirely underground:  It&#8217;s the trains and the rails, not the wheels.  The trains aren&#8217;t weatherproof, and precipitation would cause problems with the third rails.</p>
<p>Not to mention, ZEL was right to say that today&#8217;s steel wheel technologies can achieve the same grades and turn radii as rubber tired sets.  However, they can&#8217;t do them as quickly or as quietly.  Imagine how screechingly noisy and S-L-O-W the tunnel between Champ-de-Mars and Berri-UQÀM would be???  Plus&#8230;knowing that there are shale deposits in our bedrock, I&#8217;d imagine the vibrations could cause some problems&#8230;</p>
<p>etc. etc. etc.  ZEL is a scheister and a bully, plain and simple.  They would have left us with a big bill and without a usable metro for years and years.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Laval transit offers smog deal by JaneyB</title>
		<link>http://w5.montreal.com/mtlweblog/?p=5173&#038;cpage=1#comment-2651</link>
		<dc:creator>JaneyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the city should keep the pools open on the weekends until it gets actually cool eg. October...student-lifeguards could probably use the money. I wish they&#039;d promote that little restaurant at the beach in Parc Jean-Drapeau. Sometimes just being near water is nice even when it&#039;s cool out.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the city should keep the pools open on the weekends until it gets actually cool eg. October&#8230;student-lifeguards could probably use the money. I wish they&#8217;d promote that little restaurant at the beach in Parc Jean-Drapeau. Sometimes just being near water is nice even when it&#8217;s cool out&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Boisvert on the city&#8217;s favourite roof by Kate</title>
		<link>http://w5.montreal.com/mtlweblog/?p=5157&#038;cpage=1#comment-2650</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mexico City doesn&#039;t get snow, for one thing. Another thing that occurs to me is the increased vulnerability of a rubber-tired system that goes outside. I&#039;m not losing sleep over talk of terrorist attacks, but the Montreal metro was named as one of the possible targets in that recent arrest. Think about the havoc you could cause by simply dropping some home-made spikes on the bands where the wheels roll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mexico City doesn&#8217;t get snow, for one thing. Another thing that occurs to me is the increased vulnerability of a rubber-tired system that goes outside. I&#8217;m not losing sleep over talk of terrorist attacks, but the Montreal metro was named as one of the possible targets in that recent arrest. Think about the havoc you could cause by simply dropping some home-made spikes on the bands where the wheels roll.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Laval transit offers smog deal by Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gather that one of the limiting factors is that most lifeguards are students, so the pools tend to close up when they go back to school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gather that one of the limiting factors is that most lifeguards are students, so the pools tend to close up when they go back to school.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Boisvert on the city&#8217;s favourite roof by Tamara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tamara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate, I don&#039;t think the rubber tires are what impede the metro from running outside the tunnels (please take a look at the 12 lines of the metro in Mexico City).  And I don&#039;t buy the ZEL option, because it means changing A LOT of infrastructure and I think the STM has been wise to stay away from this.  I would say, bring the project home, with Bombardier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate, I don&#8217;t think the rubber tires are what impede the metro from running outside the tunnels (please take a look at the 12 lines of the metro in Mexico City).  And I don&#8217;t buy the ZEL option, because it means changing A LOT of infrastructure and I think the STM has been wise to stay away from this.  I would say, bring the project home, with Bombardier.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Laval transit offers smog deal by naftee</title>
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		<dc:creator>naftee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some city pools have actually been closed for a week now - probably due to the cooler weather at the beginning of last week. It really sucks that they weren&#039;t open last weekend, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some city pools have actually been closed for a week now &#8211; probably due to the cooler weather at the beginning of last week. It really sucks that they weren&#8217;t open last weekend, though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Boisvert on the city&#8217;s favourite roof by DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point isn&#039;t that steel rails are experimental as such, but that we&#039;d be making a wholesale switch to a technology that the rest of the physical plant isn&#039;t built for, all for a one-shot savings on rolling stock. There just doesn&#039;t seem to be enough upside to justify this kind of risk.

Rubber-tired metros can run outdoors, actually. I think the main problem with that on our system would be the way the third rail is set up, but that&#039;s another story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point isn&#8217;t that steel rails are experimental as such, but that we&#8217;d be making a wholesale switch to a technology that the rest of the physical plant isn&#8217;t built for, all for a one-shot savings on rolling stock. There just doesn&#8217;t seem to be enough upside to justify this kind of risk.</p>
<p>Rubber-tired metros can run outdoors, actually. I think the main problem with that on our system would be the way the third rail is set up, but that&#8217;s another story.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Boisvert on the city&#8217;s favourite roof by Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 02:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I buy everything you say. Zhuzhou is asking us to go back to an older technology for trains, not something untried. Rubber wheels make for a smoother ride for sure, but you probably know it also means the Montreal metro can never have sections that go outside, like many subway systems do.

I agree it&#039;s slightly nerve-wracking to think about the suspension of service necessary if the metro system were to be rejigged for rail, but what if it meant long-term savings over the following decades?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I buy everything you say. Zhuzhou is asking us to go back to an older technology for trains, not something untried. Rubber wheels make for a smoother ride for sure, but you probably know it also means the Montreal metro can never have sections that go outside, like many subway systems do.</p>
<p>I agree it&#8217;s slightly nerve-wracking to think about the suspension of service necessary if the metro system were to be rejigged for rail, but what if it meant long-term savings over the following decades?</p>
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		<title>Comment on April 66 from the Archives by Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does seem a shame, in retrospect, that the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expo_Express&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Expo Express&lt;/a&gt; wasn&#039;t kept alive as part of a light rail link to the south shore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does seem a shame, in retrospect, that the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expo_Express" rel="nofollow">Expo Express</a> wasn&#8217;t kept alive as part of a light rail link to the south shore.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Boisvert on the city&#8217;s favourite roof by DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except here, the idées fixes are reversed. It&#039;s Zhuzhou Electric Locomotive playing Roger Taillibert: short track record, little experience, promising big results via a pricey gamble on new technology. Bombardier/Alstom might be proposing a prosaic solution, and won&#039;t offer a hefty discount like their rival, but they are companies that are confirmedly capable of delivering something that stays up and keeps the rain out, so to speak.

Place a bad bet on a stadium roof and you have a leaky white elephant. Lose out when letting an inexperienced firm rip up your metro system, and you have hundreds of thousands of people riding buses until the STM and ZEL are done suing each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except here, the idées fixes are reversed. It&#8217;s Zhuzhou Electric Locomotive playing Roger Taillibert: short track record, little experience, promising big results via a pricey gamble on new technology. Bombardier/Alstom might be proposing a prosaic solution, and won&#8217;t offer a hefty discount like their rival, but they are companies that are confirmedly capable of delivering something that stays up and keeps the rain out, so to speak.</p>
<p>Place a bad bet on a stadium roof and you have a leaky white elephant. Lose out when letting an inexperienced firm rip up your metro system, and you have hundreds of thousands of people riding buses until the STM and ZEL are done suing each other.</p>
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		<title>Comment on April 66 from the Archives by david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the postcards link.  just imagine if that monorail thing had been retained, one could imagine a development pattern far different from what we got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the postcards link.  just imagine if that monorail thing had been retained, one could imagine a development pattern far different from what we got.</p>
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